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Old 04-10-2005, 08:55 AM
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Any input and feed back would be helpful.

Lets say I have a 12v battery and a 12v motor and an alternator.

Now if the 12v motor turns fast enough to turn the aternator to put out a charge and run the motor which it should then the motor that runs the alternator should be powered from the alternators out put and still have enopugh to put out a charge to the battery.

Now with that said, if we were to run a second motor from this source with the right alternator and planning I figure I could run this second 12v motor may need a more powerful one not sure to run a generator this generator would run a third motor wich would run the the car the drive line.

Now is all the components are put in line with the proper regulators and control pack and using the motors regen the initial battery or batteries depending on the need to run generator the battery or batteries should maintain a full charge.

The solar pannel is on supplemental to keep batteries topped when not running and to assist in the charging when and if required.

Does this theory make sense and does anybody else feel it should work?

I do if the right components are used. Its an equation that must be worked out to meet the demand and surpass it. Even if a more powerful alternator lets say from a transport truck or special purpose vehicle. Also I have heard the some RV's have a large enough generator to put out enough to do small welding tasks. Thus the power generation is possible. Just putting the right combination of motors and gears to meet the rpm's to put out the alt and gens potential.

Any feed back please email or post.

charles.kloetstra@gmail.com

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Old 04-10-2005, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: Power generation and consumption

You realize an alternator and a motor are two sides of the same coin right? You may as well just run the motor off the battery. Is there anything other that the battery turning the alternator?

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Old 04-10-2005, 05:53 PM
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Well a motor is turning the alternator off of the battery then another motor is running the generator which powers the drive motor.

The Alternator is only being used to power the motor and charge the battery.

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Old 04-10-2005, 07:32 PM
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where is the alternator getting its power from?

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Old 04-11-2005, 01:04 PM
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Default Re: Power generation and consumption

The alternator is producing power a electric motor 12v is runnning and turning the alternator

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Old 04-11-2005, 01:39 PM
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Where does the electric motor 12v get its power from.

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Old 05-05-2005, 09:03 PM
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It will not work. The exact reason why is somewhat difficult to explain to anyone that lacks a Physics or Engineering background. Basically no device is 100% efficient. You always lose a little everytime you convert energy from one form to another. A motor converts electrical energy to mechanical energy. A generator work the other way and converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. A battery is a storage device the stores electrical energy in chemical form. The only actual source of power in the device you describe is the solar panel. For your device to work the motors and generators would need to be more than 100% efficient which is impossible [edit] at this time.

The short answer is that any motor powering any generator or alternator would require more power than the system would put out regardless of how they were hooked together or geared.

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Old 05-06-2005, 06:21 AM
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The exact reason why is somewhat difficult to explain to anyone that lacks a Physics or Engineering background.
That didn't seem too difficult at all - I'll bet even those WITHOUT a PhD in Physics understood!

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Old 05-06-2005, 08:01 AM
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Lakedude you could say at this time instead of "not in this universe", theories can be wrong from time to time, sounds more optimistic.

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That didn't seem too difficult at all - I'll bet even those WITHOUT a PhD in Physics understood!
Thank you. The comment was a note to self to keep the serious math out of the explanation.
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