Miles To Empty
#11
02-17-2006, 12:30 PM
Re: Miles To Empty
Could be lots of stuff.
Changing FE for your tank average also changes your display (or it seems to in my experience), temperature and even the angle that you parked at can account for changes. I often see some fluctuations with every tank.
Changing FE for your tank average also changes your display (or it seems to in my experience), temperature and even the angle that you parked at can account for changes. I often see some fluctuations with every tank.
#12
02-17-2006, 03:27 PM
Re: Miles To Empty
Originally Posted by Pravus Prime
Could be lots of stuff.
Changing FE for your tank average also changes your display (or it seems to in my experience), temperature and even the angle that you parked at can account for changes. I often see some fluctuations with every tank.
Changing FE for your tank average also changes your display (or it seems to in my experience), temperature and even the angle that you parked at can account for changes. I often see some fluctuations with every tank.
It happened again this afternoon after sitting outside (but the temp was about 55) – the MTE went back to the lower figure of 389 MTE, driven 54 miles for a total of 443 and it had started out at 464 MTE and the FE avg was reading 33.9. Before I had parked it, it was reading around 416 for a total of 470 - that is a difference of 27 miles while parked.
Now I am totally confused.
#13
02-17-2006, 09:48 PM
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Re: Miles To Empty
While I don't have a clear-cut answer for what you are seeing, I can say I see the same behavior, so it seems normal.
I think it only recalcs at a very slow rate.
I don't know, but let's say it calcs once every 10 minutes.
If, at time + 10, you have the car at a slant, all the gas sloshes, and you get a higher tank level reading, thus a higher MTE reading.
If, at time + 20, you have the car on the level... the gas is evenly distributed, and you get a lower tank level reading, thus a lower MTE reading.
Rest assured that this is an "estimate" but at MTE 0 you are not really empty.
Concensus is, MTE 0 = 1 gallon left.
I average mid to high 30's for mileage pretty consistantly, and get MTE 480 to 620, just depends on the exact conditions at the time, which are always changing. I do think the lower your tank gets, the more accurate it gets.
I have never run out of gas at MTE zero, and have gone 30-50 miles past zero several times.
Cheers,
-John
I think it only recalcs at a very slow rate.
I don't know, but let's say it calcs once every 10 minutes.
If, at time + 10, you have the car at a slant, all the gas sloshes, and you get a higher tank level reading, thus a higher MTE reading.
If, at time + 20, you have the car on the level... the gas is evenly distributed, and you get a lower tank level reading, thus a lower MTE reading.
Rest assured that this is an "estimate" but at MTE 0 you are not really empty.
Concensus is, MTE 0 = 1 gallon left.
I average mid to high 30's for mileage pretty consistantly, and get MTE 480 to 620, just depends on the exact conditions at the time, which are always changing. I do think the lower your tank gets, the more accurate it gets.
I have never run out of gas at MTE zero, and have gone 30-50 miles past zero several times.
Cheers,
-John
#14
02-18-2006, 01:56 PM
Re: Miles To Empty
Wow, the information I needed. I have started making sure I completely refuel my tank and now getting up to 14gal on a refill when stopping at about a 25MTE.
My MTE 400-450 and I drive 90% highway miles so I am happy with my AWD results.
Pravus got such great mileage, I think, because it was a balmy summer this year in Chicago. If he had his FEH the year before he would have really been hypermiling.
(it was quite the chillin' summer)
My MTE 400-450 and I drive 90% highway miles so I am happy with my AWD results.
Pravus got such great mileage, I think, because it was a balmy summer this year in Chicago. If he had his FEH the year before he would have really been hypermiling.
(it was quite the chillin' summer)
#15
02-23-2006, 02:53 PM
Re: Miles To Empty
Originally Posted by Muhman
Wow, the information I needed. I have started making sure I completely refuel my tank and now getting up to 14gal on a refill when stopping at about a 25MTE.
My MTE 400-450 and I drive 90% highway miles so I am happy with my AWD results.
Pravus got such great mileage, I think, because it was a balmy summer this year in Chicago. If he had his FEH the year before he would have really been hypermiling. (it was quite the chillin' summer)
My MTE 400-450 and I drive 90% highway miles so I am happy with my AWD results.
Pravus got such great mileage, I think, because it was a balmy summer this year in Chicago. If he had his FEH the year before he would have really been hypermiling.
(it was quite the chillin' summer)LOL, believe me, I'm looking forward to the summer! I'm hoping to beat 35 MPGs for a tank!
#16
04-07-2006, 09:52 AM
Re: Miles To Empty
Hi everyone:
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
#17
04-07-2006, 10:22 PM
Re: Miles To Empty
Originally Posted by Pravus Prime
LOL, believe me, I'm looking forward to the summer! I'm hoping to beat 35 MPGs for a tank!
Originally Posted by GaryG
Hi everyone:
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
#18
04-08-2006, 01:25 AM
Re: Miles To Empty
Originally Posted by GaryG
Hi everyone:
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
Just thought I’d post an update to my Miles To Empty (MTE). Thanks to Ray Martin, Rich (Pravus Prime) and xcel (Wayne Gerdes), I’m on my way to an 800 MTE in the FWD FEH. At this point, 900 MTE is still possible with 60mpg tank averages at my reach. The key to getting this kind of mileage is EV driving in the city. The trick to charging is two slow fake shifts in “L” with the battery drained. The trick to gliding is in “N”. The key to acceleration is hold 1,800rpm’s till you reach the speed you want.
My sig picture below shows 715 MTE with 30 miles already on the tank. The MTE kept changing and I had 714 MTE at 50 miles on the trip OD with no camera to take a shot. There is no trick here, only great mileage will get the stock MTE gauge to read this high.
GaryG
The trick to gliding is in “N”, it's bad for your car, especially for CVT transmissions. It significantly wears down the variable-diameter pulleys.
#19
04-08-2006, 02:59 AM
Re: Miles To Empty
^^ Uh changing between N, D and L only changes the software. Its not mechanical, why would it be there for if what you say is true? So that we can trash our transmission? Doesn't make sense, there are times when you don't need any more torque to the front wheels so N is the best answer for your vehicle to freelance until you feel its safe to resume acceleration (back to D, driving in the heavy snow is one fine example.) I'm pretty sure N disconnects everything from the engine and does not promote wear in any way, what facts you have to back it up?
#20
04-08-2006, 07:14 AM
Re: Miles To Empty
VARIBLE-DIAMETER PULLEYS? I've read most of the Ford patents on the eCVT and never heard of such a part in the FEH eCVT. Ford articles state the Ford/Aisin design is all-gear that eliminates belts, chains, clutches, torque coverter and friction materials which make the transaxle durable and compact, so this is news to me. In fact, the owners manual says that the FEH can be safely towed in neutral up to 75mph with all four wheels on the road.
Can you tell us more on this subject or point to where you read or heard of this? I've been gliding in neutral for 5 month now and everything seems to work the same for me now.
The Anderson drive system for an Infinitely Variable Drive Transmission does have varible-diameter pulleys and may be used on Fords in the future. To my knowledge, they don't now.
Please bring more information if posible. TIA
GaryG
Can you tell us more on this subject or point to where you read or heard of this? I've been gliding in neutral for 5 month now and everything seems to work the same for me now.
The Anderson drive system for an Infinitely Variable Drive Transmission does have varible-diameter pulleys and may be used on Fords in the future. To my knowledge, they don't now.
Please bring more information if posible. TIA
GaryG
