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I agree with tbaleno in the closed thread above - stop the bickering.

This might be a good time to discuss something such as if anybody knows something about GM's dual mode hybrid system....

BTW, this was my post that supposedly started all the turmoil....

Again, on to a constructive topic....

 

re: the quote of your original post...
one of the reasons for the explosion in the sales of pickup trucks dates back to the mid-80s at the latest, maybe even earlier than that... when vehicles above as certaing gross weight were exempted from pollution controls.

back when EGRs and PCVs either made your engine run like crap or made you think it did.

factor that in to the equations, please...

gee, Chilly... maybe i should take some info out of my autographs....

 

OK. but does anyone know if there will be a major price up on the 2008 hybrid escalade? I mean the 2007 escalade suv is already like $57,000. so how much will the hybrid version escalade cost, $67,000?

 

That is one danger of GM putting 2-Mode only in high-end luxury SUVs: the target market will be too small to recoup the cost of infrastructure investment and R&D.

I think it's great that GM wants to make the biggest guzzlers less thirsty, but they should put 2-Mode in their low and midrange vehicles too.

After all, the existence of the Prius shows that people are more than willing to buy a small/midsize sedan in a hybrid flavor.

 

OK. but does anyone know if there will be a major price up on the 2008 hybrid escalade? I mean the 2007 escalade suv is already like $57,000. so how much will the hybrid version escalade cost, $67,000?

 

That was kind-of the though I had too.

Take one of the most gas guzzling, super-sized, vehicles made by Cadillac, and make it slightly more efficient.

IMHO, it would have been a lot more appropriate for Cadillac to have made their SRX into a hybrid. At least you are starting with a smaller, 6 cyl, car-based crossover.

 

It saves more fuel and pollution to replace an Escalade with a hybrid version than to replace an SRX with a hybrid version.

The only way to get people to choose the smallest vehicle that will do the job for them is to tax the hell out of fuel. All else is smoke and mirrors.

 

First off, I'll say that everything Jim said in his reply is spot on. I'll add an additional perspective......

• The Tahoe hybrid will have a 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid Tahoes. The 6.0L is adapted from the 6.0L gas engine already optional in the Tahoe.
• The Yukon hybrid will have a 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid Yukons. The 6.0L is adapted from the 6.0L gas engine already optional in the Yukon.
• The Escalade hybrid will have 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid. The 6.0L is very similar in design and build to the 6.2L already in the Escalade.

(anybody seeing a trend yet?)

• The SRX powertrain options are a 3.6L DOHC V6 with a 5 speed transmission or a 4.6L DOHC V8 with a 5 speed transmission. The engine choices are world's apart in design as compared to the engine around which the truck application 2-Mode Hybrid is being developed. It would require a major tear-up of the engine compartment and the transmission tunnel to make the 6.0L and the 2-Mode trans fit in the SRX.

Peace,

Martin

 

Chilly, do you get it yet? Unless all of that post was tongue-in-cheek, and i didn't get the impression you meant it that way, you've just pilloried Delta for exactly the same reasons and in exactly the same way you don't want to be pilloried!

you've given Delta a drive-by rant, complaining that he should have moved to a public-transport-friendly city, with no consideration for ANY possible reason he didn't, and now you're asking him to defend himself on that decision... to whom?

you?

every ecology-minded person you know?

he made his decisions for his reasons, and you for yours and me for mine. would you call me "green" or just plain stupid for buying a Prius Gen2 and NOT driving it but 4-8k miles a year?!? after all, "it only makes real economic sense to run a hybrid if you're driving a lot," right?

heck, i might average 4-5k a year and my wife might average 6-10k, and i've got her looking at the hybrid Camry! and her '98 camry xle with full options has barely 40k on it! gee, another stupid move, to sell or trade a perfectly good car just to save a few miles per gallon?

people have lots of different motivations, and make their decisions based on myriad considerations.

but once they've decided, they've decided. they've made their choice.

how about asking things like "what went into your decision to move there, buy that truck," etc.????

and, as Falk's 13th Law [ http://www.plusaf.com/falklaws.htm#13th ] states, "Stereotypes don't come out of Nowhere."

if you don't care to tell us where you live, you're still painting a picture of yourself in our minds' eyes, and it might not be all that complimentary.

it's human nature to be suspicious of people who seem to be hiding something...

happy motoring, one way or the other, and remember the signs in Texas: "Drive Friendly"..... can i get a bumper sticker from someone that says that???