Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
#21
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
I was just thinking.... the brakes pressure up when you open the door...
Is this being done by the 12v or 300v system???
It is for sure going on without the key!
And one would think it would tend to run via 300 volts...
FYI
One click of the key is ACC... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 12v system. YOU DO NOT have the inverter on with ACC.
Two clicks of the key is RUN... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 300v system. YOU DO have the inverter on with RUN.
Turn farther and you hit start. Release and the key rebounds to run. You do not need to start to use the inverter or activate the big 300v battery.
Turn your headlamps on, and move key to ACC. You will get 12.x volts.
Leave headlamps on, and move key to RUN. You will get 14.x volts.
Engine is off the whole time.
-John
Is this being done by the 12v or 300v system???
It is for sure going on without the key!
And one would think it would tend to run via 300 volts...
FYI
One click of the key is ACC... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 12v system. YOU DO NOT have the inverter on with ACC.
Two clicks of the key is RUN... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 300v system. YOU DO have the inverter on with RUN.
Turn farther and you hit start. Release and the key rebounds to run. You do not need to start to use the inverter or activate the big 300v battery.
Turn your headlamps on, and move key to ACC. You will get 12.x volts.
Leave headlamps on, and move key to RUN. You will get 14.x volts.
Engine is off the whole time.
-John
#22
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
Got this from a Ford Guidebook:
The DC/AC inverter converts 12 volts DC to 110 volts AC to power a device that uses AC current
with a rating of less than 150 watts. The power point will automatically shut off if the load exceeds
150 watts. This prevents damage to the inverter or load. The inverter supplies 110 volts AC power
only when the key is in the ON/START position. This reduces the draw on the 12-volt system
when the vehicle is not running. The DC/AC inverter outlet (AC power point) is equipped with a
green light emitting diode (LED) that indicates the system integrity. The green LED illuminates
continuously when the key is in the ON/START position and the system is operating normally. The
green LED flashes constantly if the key is in the ON/START position and a fault is detected. Short
circuits, overloads or overheating of the inverter will cause the green LED to flash and the power
to be cut off to the outlet. If the LED is flashing, the problem must be corrected (e.g., short circuit
or excessive load). If the inverter is overheated, it must be allowed time to cool off (without the
load connected).
The power outlet is not designed for the following electric appliances; they may not work properly:
• Cathode ray tube type televisions
• Motor loads, such as vacuum cleaners, electric saws and other electric power tools,
compressor-driven refrigerators
• Measuring devices, which process precise data, such as medical equipment, measuring
equipment
• Other appliances requiring an extremely stable power supply: microcomputer-controlled electric
blankets, touch sensor lamps
The DC/AC inverter converts 12 volts DC to 110 volts AC to power a device that uses AC current
with a rating of less than 150 watts. The power point will automatically shut off if the load exceeds
150 watts. This prevents damage to the inverter or load. The inverter supplies 110 volts AC power
only when the key is in the ON/START position. This reduces the draw on the 12-volt system
when the vehicle is not running. The DC/AC inverter outlet (AC power point) is equipped with a
green light emitting diode (LED) that indicates the system integrity. The green LED illuminates
continuously when the key is in the ON/START position and the system is operating normally. The
green LED flashes constantly if the key is in the ON/START position and a fault is detected. Short
circuits, overloads or overheating of the inverter will cause the green LED to flash and the power
to be cut off to the outlet. If the LED is flashing, the problem must be corrected (e.g., short circuit
or excessive load). If the inverter is overheated, it must be allowed time to cool off (without the
load connected).
The power outlet is not designed for the following electric appliances; they may not work properly:
• Cathode ray tube type televisions
• Motor loads, such as vacuum cleaners, electric saws and other electric power tools,
compressor-driven refrigerators
• Measuring devices, which process precise data, such as medical equipment, measuring
equipment
• Other appliances requiring an extremely stable power supply: microcomputer-controlled electric
blankets, touch sensor lamps
#23
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
GaryG
#24
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
The power outlet is not designed for the following electric appliances; they may not work properly:
• Cathode ray tube type televisions
• Motor loads, such as vacuum cleaners, electric saws and other electric power tools,
compressor-driven refrigerators
• Measuring devices, which process precise data, such as medical equipment, measuring
equipment
• Other appliances requiring an extremely stable power supply: microcomputer-controlled electric
blankets, touch sensor lamps
• Cathode ray tube type televisions
• Motor loads, such as vacuum cleaners, electric saws and other electric power tools,
compressor-driven refrigerators
• Measuring devices, which process precise data, such as medical equipment, measuring
equipment
• Other appliances requiring an extremely stable power supply: microcomputer-controlled electric
blankets, touch sensor lamps
It can also be a problem to hook something into such a system that uses a switching power supply (laptops, battery chargers) but frankly I've usually used them without problems in the past, though I haven't tried it with the one in the FEH yet.
#25
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
FYI
One click of the key is ACC... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 12v system. YOU DO NOT have the inverter on with ACC.
Two clicks of the key is RUN... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 300v system. YOU DO have the inverter on with RUN.
Turn farther and you hit start. Release and the key rebounds to run. You do not need to start to use the inverter or activate the big 300v battery.
-John
One click of the key is ACC... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 12v system. YOU DO NOT have the inverter on with ACC.
Two clicks of the key is RUN... this runs windows, lights, radio, from 300v system. YOU DO have the inverter on with RUN.
Turn farther and you hit start. Release and the key rebounds to run. You do not need to start to use the inverter or activate the big 300v battery.
-John
If I did want to run a medium sized freezer at a remote site, that has a compressor in it, I wonder if one of those "attached under the hood with clamps" type of inverters could produce the proper clean power for it? What brand and model would I look for?
-Christopher S. Johnson (who has learned quite a bit on this thread)
#26
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
A freezer just uses an electric motor to spin the compressor. Most motors will work fine with a decent inverter.
Check the power requirements from the freezer (e.g 1000 watts), then add about 30% for the startup surge current for the motor, and pick up an inverter with that rating. Most 1kw inverters will support 1.3kw for 10-20 seconds. Most inverters specify a startup rating, and a constant rating
However, you should replace the spring clamps to the battery with a direct wired (and fused) connection if you are using more than 4-500 watts from a 12V supply. (1000w/12V = 84Amps, you can get 100A slow-blow fuses from auto supply stores.)
Check the power requirements from the freezer (e.g 1000 watts), then add about 30% for the startup surge current for the motor, and pick up an inverter with that rating. Most 1kw inverters will support 1.3kw for 10-20 seconds. Most inverters specify a startup rating, and a constant rating
However, you should replace the spring clamps to the battery with a direct wired (and fused) connection if you are using more than 4-500 watts from a 12V supply. (1000w/12V = 84Amps, you can get 100A slow-blow fuses from auto supply stores.)
#27
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
Hi All
It's been a while since I posted about a patent Ford has, but now that Ford is discussing plug-in charging more, I thought some of you might be interested in reading about this now. As far as I know, the unit has not been released to the public yet. Anyone heard anymore about this unit?
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6724100.html
HEV charger/generator unit
Document Type and Number:
United States Patent 6724100
Link to this page:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6724100.html
Abstract:
The present invention provides an apparatus, system, and method of utilizing a Home Power Unit ("HPU") which functions as a battery charger for a Hybrid Electric Vehicle ("HEV") or as a generator, utilizing the HEV's electrical power to operate external electrical devices. In its simplest form, the HPU comprises a Transformer, inverter means, rectifier means, a control unit, connection means to the HEV and external electrical loads or sources and switching means to change operation between charger and generator function. Alternative embodiments of the present invention utilize the HEV's existing components thereby avoiding component redundancy within the HPU. Specifically, in the first alternative embodiment, the inverter means are utilized within the vehicle, therefore, requiring only filter and transformer to be added to the vehicle. In the second alternative embodiment, the vehicle's DC-to-DC Converter is utilized as opposed to implementing a transformer. Therefore, only an inverter and filter are added to the system.
See the patent for a much better understanding.
GaryG
It's been a while since I posted about a patent Ford has, but now that Ford is discussing plug-in charging more, I thought some of you might be interested in reading about this now. As far as I know, the unit has not been released to the public yet. Anyone heard anymore about this unit?
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6724100.html
HEV charger/generator unit
Document Type and Number:
United States Patent 6724100
Link to this page:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6724100.html
Abstract:
The present invention provides an apparatus, system, and method of utilizing a Home Power Unit ("HPU") which functions as a battery charger for a Hybrid Electric Vehicle ("HEV") or as a generator, utilizing the HEV's electrical power to operate external electrical devices. In its simplest form, the HPU comprises a Transformer, inverter means, rectifier means, a control unit, connection means to the HEV and external electrical loads or sources and switching means to change operation between charger and generator function. Alternative embodiments of the present invention utilize the HEV's existing components thereby avoiding component redundancy within the HPU. Specifically, in the first alternative embodiment, the inverter means are utilized within the vehicle, therefore, requiring only filter and transformer to be added to the vehicle. In the second alternative embodiment, the vehicle's DC-to-DC Converter is utilized as opposed to implementing a transformer. Therefore, only an inverter and filter are added to the system.
See the patent for a much better understanding.
GaryG
#28
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
You can see the full patent on the USPTO (United States Patent & Trademark Office) website.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...100&RS=6724100
You can use their search engine to find other hybrid patents, Ford hybrid patents, and patents that refer to the subject patent 6724100!
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...100&RS=6724100
You can use their search engine to find other hybrid patents, Ford hybrid patents, and patents that refer to the subject patent 6724100!
#29
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
Has anyone established how much power could be pulled from a directly-connected-to-the-12v-battery inverter, to say, power a home during a power outage? I see speculation that a a 2000 watt inverter could be used, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what the actual capacity is, pulling off the battery for a continued time period. Thanks.
#30
Re: Hi, need info about using AC/DC plugs
Just from the 12v battery alone, or also thru the HV battery or (ICE running) HV generator?