Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
#41
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
Hi CGameProgrammer:
___So where are you driving 80 + mph, side streets?
___I wonder why my experience across much of central and southern CA. varies so much with yours. I also loved the part about the 18-wheelers traveling over 80 +. I don’t care about the one or two but all? You are dreaming. Have you read any on what UPS is limiting their drivers to as of late? When you do, either UPS does not deliver in CA. or maybe you are stretching the truth a bit? I tend to think the latter. As for safety, 80 + in an accident is as close to instant death as one can imagine. Maybe most accidents don’t happen on the highway in CA.? My time there going 60 – 65 in the far right lane with the OTR drivers, minivans loaded with families, economy cars, and economy minded drivers was a rather pleasant experience actually.
___You did. “A motorcycle is what a hypermiler should ride.”. According to what you have posted about your Jetta hitting 26, you are hypermiling in it as well. I wonder how your Jetta gets 26 at 90 +? Do you have instrumentation that shows your instantaneous FE or are you stretching the truth again?
___Really? I do not even own a hybrid. So what is your beef against them? You received what appears to be a ridiculously low FE number by driving one off the lot at 90 + and they you are complaining to us about it? You need to adjust your outlook. I don’t care what you drive but driving foolishly at 80 + is not just your business, it is also the business of the family of 6 driving the Odyssey in lane next to you, or the young teen driver with little experience driving the Corolla heading off the highway without turn signals etc. 80 + is not only above every speed limit in the entire US but is unsafe no matter how you try to defend it. Then you are telling me how I think? Are you a psychologist? All I see is a lot of hot air about items you know nothing about. Maybe you should learn about the HCH before telling all of us how it’s mileage sucks. On a percentage of member’s basis, it has the largest representative amount of vehicles exceeding the EPA City/Highway combined. The HCH’s mileage must really suck to do that?
___You are the individual that posted the HCH’s mileage sucks. Why don’t you ask any HCH driver here if they have ever received just 22 mpg from one over any segment? The response will be that you are the problem, not the HCH. Does the HCH’s mileage “Suck” as you said earlier or does your driving habits “Suck”? Even you know the answer to that question
___Since you are supposedly already achieving 26 mpg from your current car at 80 +, why are you looking at any other that will not get 26 mpg at 80 +?
___No, not the Prius. With that, I guess you will find out the hard way …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Ah, but I do not drive in downtown LA or San Francisco or on the far right lane. In fact, when I have been in LA, I avoided the highways at all costs since traffic was usually at a standstill.
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
I am a safe driver. When you drive significantly slower than surrounding traffic, that is dangerous, not safe. When I drove on I-5 from Sacramento to LA, I maintained 90mph and was constantly passed by people going 100mph, though I also passed a bunch of people going 80mph, such as 18-wheelers. Yup, 18-wheelers going 80mph were the norm. Road speeds vary wildly depending on where you are. Where I grew up in New Jersey, I'd go 70-75 on the highway, since that's what everyone else was doing. I always go with the flow.
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Who said anything about hypermiling?
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
But there's this stereotype of hybrids only being appealing to hyper-milers. You view the world as black and white …
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Well it appears some other "idiots" agreed with me. I think you need to relax. The HCH performed worse than the Prius, Insight (or so I hear), and my own car during highway cruising.
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Is that why I'm going to buy a car that gets better FE at 80mph? Because I don't care about getting better FE at 80mph?
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Except for the Prius you mean.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
Last edited by lakedude; 08-09-2005 at 08:20 PM. Reason: Language, cool it please
#42
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
I got mid to high twenties driving a Vette at the speeds you are talking about, maybe you should get a Vette.
#43
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
Originally Posted by lakedude
I got mid to high twenties driving a Vette at the speeds you are talking about, maybe you should get a Vette.
#44
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi CGameProgrammer:
___So where are you driving 80 + mph, side streets?
___So where are you driving 80 + mph, side streets?
Have you read any on what UPS is limiting their drivers to as of late?
“A motorcycle is what a hypermiler should ride.”
According to what you have posted about your Jetta hitting 26, you are hypermiling in it as well. I wonder how your Jetta gets 26 at 90 +? Do you have instrumentation that shows your instantaneous FE or are you stretching the truth again?
___Really? I do not even own a hybrid.
So what is your beef against them? You received what appears to be a ridiculously low FE number by driving one off the lot at 90 +
the young teen driver with little experience driving the Corolla heading off the highway without turn signals etc.
80 + is not only above every speed limit in the entire US
The HCH’s mileage must really suck to do that?
___You are the individual that posted the HCH’s mileage sucks. Why don’t you ask any HCH driver here if they have ever received just 22 mpg from one over any segment?
___Since you are supposedly already achieving 26 mpg from your current car at 80 +, why are you looking at any other that will not get 26 mpg at 80 +?
#45
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
I'm not a moderator here (not even close), but I hope maybe things can cool off.
- CGameProgrammer, I've have been in California enough to know there are highways people drive at warp speed and others driver are going the speed limit. I've recently been in Northern California and Oregon, but also have been in LA and The Bay in the past.
- I seriously think cruising at 65-70mph is not going to get you roadkilled. Many an evening on Hwy 190 (George Bush Tollway) I have given in to Autobahn conditions and "shown" drivers they can't pass me by. In other words, I have struggled with just ignoring drivers that blast by me. This is probably much of the reason the pack speed is often 75mph on some highways. Going 65-70 will not deliver maximum fuel economy, but a reasonable compromise with highway traffic - not hypermiling.
- Congress is not going to be able to repeal Newton's First Law of Motion. The increased changes in momentium and wind resistance at 80mph makes decent fuel economy challenging.
- It took me several months to understand the nuiances of my Insight, with a substantial increase in fuel economy. For me to claim I understand hybrids with just a week of experience, is kind of like me saying a week's vacation in London gives me an understanding of what the Londoner is thinking.
- Hypermilers are a minority. So are people that are active, at an ideal weight, put only healthy stuff in their mouths. So are people that save enough money for a good retirement and have no debt outside of home payments....
Last edited by Delta Flyer; 08-10-2005 at 06:24 AM.
#46
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
hmm...how does "Delta Flyer the wise" sound for a title.
I hate to think this forum will end up like Edmunds. This forum has, up till now, been a peaceful place for information and inspiration. Please, lets keep it this way.
"The only dumb thoughts are the ones that are not brought to light."
I realize that I am protective of HCH and get upset when people badmouth (or not impressed) them. Everyone has different tastes and different lifestyles...such is life.
I hate to think this forum will end up like Edmunds. This forum has, up till now, been a peaceful place for information and inspiration. Please, lets keep it this way.
"The only dumb thoughts are the ones that are not brought to light."
I realize that I am protective of HCH and get upset when people badmouth (or not impressed) them. Everyone has different tastes and different lifestyles...such is life.
#47
Re: Rented the HCH for a day. Result? Not good
I'm going to lock this thread since it seems there is no more to add to it. Both sides have had their say.
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