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vin888 05-13-2008 10:56 PM

plasmacluster
 
my TCH has plasmacluster when does this operate and can this be operated manually?

coolshock1 05-14-2008 06:31 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
If you're talking about the "air freshener" there's no control for it.

mikieboyblue 05-14-2008 07:40 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
It is on whenever you have the climate controls on. It is located within the driver-side vent airway.

coolshock1 05-14-2008 07:59 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
Thanks for correcting me there. I forgot to mention that part. I was curious about that when I first got mine. I am kind of becoming addicted to finding out how everything operates on this vehicle now.

mikieboyblue 05-14-2008 08:00 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by coolshock1 (Post 172279)
Thanks for correcting me there. I forgot to mention that part. I was curious about that when I first got mine. I am kind of becoming addicted to finding out how everything operates on this vehicle now.

And I pray I did not give misinformation ;) ... as my mind fails I need to start adding qualifiers like "I think."

vin888 08-06-2008 06:11 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 
how come i dont hear noises when it works anymore?
before i used to hear sounds that it works i hear static sounds when its operating...
and how do you know if your plasmacluster is broke?

SteveHansen 08-07-2008 05:07 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
I haven't looked at this particular ion generator, but I am familiar with other ion generators. They have been used as air cleaners for many years. An ion generator consists of charged pieces of metal that emit electrons (ions) into the passing air stream. The charge makes the dust particles stick to other surfaces, and so "cleans" the air. Some ion generator products have built-in filters that are positively charged, to collect the particles. They have been used as "smoke eaters" in bars, and as air purifiers in homes, for many years.

Ion generators don't make noise when they are operating properly. Sometimes the space between the + and - electrical plates in an ion generator can accumulate debris, and then it can short and make sparking noises, but that happens only when it is dirty. Cleaning makes the noise go away. There is nothing to break -- no moving parts at all.

The think I don't like about them is that they emit ozone. The charge causes the O2 molecules in the air to separate and make ozone. The ozone damages skin and upholstry, and other products, by a process called oxidation. Over a long period of time, and in high concentration, it can negatively affect your health. Because the generator in this car is very small, I don't think it can put out very much charge, and it can't make much ozone. Then, because of the high rate of ventilation, even that little bit gets flushed out of the cabin very quickly. So I don't think it is likely to have any health effects.

BOFH 08-07-2008 05:25 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by SteveHansen (Post 183819)

...The charge causes the O2 molecules in the air to separate and make ozone...

Ozone is actually O3 (3 oxygen molecules)...:secret:

rmorrow 08-07-2008 05:38 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by BOFH (Post 183821)
Ozone is actually O3 (3 oxygen molecules)...:secret:

Correct, but it is the stable O2 configuration of "naturally" occuring oxygen that is first broken down, in order to produce the O3 molecules.

SPL 08-07-2008 09:17 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
Sharp (the manufacturer) claims that their Plasmacluster device produces no ozone. An electrically neutral mixture of particles is emitted.

Stan

Intrus 08-07-2008 09:44 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
Any ionization will create O3, though the amount may vary. Personally can smell Ozone in very small amounts. (Many years in electronics) I have not noticed even the slightest amount coming from the air vents. I have a O3 detector, along with a combustible gas detector. I'll grab it and do some tests.

As for how it works, Steve nailed it. Also with the O3... The Ionization can break down weak O2 molecules, causing the two oxygen atoms to create an unstable bond with strong O2 molecules. Creating two O3 for each O2 broken down.

Have a look at this Wikipedia article on Purifiers.

TCH80226 08-07-2008 11:48 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 
"Plasmacluster" . . . Now, there's a name that's cooler than the product.

Sounds like something you'd have right next to your photon torpedoes and phase cannons. :plane:

vin888 08-28-2008 06:14 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 
so how can you tell if its working or not?

mikieboyblue 08-28-2008 08:02 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by TCH80226 (Post 183910)
"Plasmacluster" . . . Now, there's a name that's cooler than the product.

Sounds like something you'd have right next to your photon torpedoes and phase cannons. :plane:

lol

mikieboyblue 08-28-2008 08:02 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by vin888 (Post 185803)
so how can you tell if its working or not?

That's a good question....no clue...I suspect you don't.

Intrus 08-30-2008 02:32 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 
The simplest way to tell is the amount of dust that collects on your dashboard. Many will notice that the amount that collects is very minimal as compared to another car, or even the same car without the A/C running. It will be simpler to tell in the winter when you don't use the A/C. Much more dust will collect.

tbone526 08-31-2008 07:56 AM

Re: plasmacluster
 

Originally Posted by Intrus (Post 185966)
The simplest way to tell is the amount of dust that collects on your dashboard. Many will notice that the amount that collects is very minimal as compared to another car, or even the same car without the A/C running.

So if the dust isn't collecting on the dashboard, where is it collecting? Is there a filter within the plasmacluster that needs to be cleaned or changed, maybe by being run through a negative ion phase-inverter with the warp core power in a feedback loop?


Originally Posted by Intrus (Post 185966)
It will be simpler to tell in the winter when you don't use the A/C. Much more dust will collect.

I rarely use my A/C. Will running the heat in winter not send the air through for the dust reduction?

Intrus 08-31-2008 09:36 PM

Re: plasmacluster
 
The dust ends up on the floor and in the cabin filter. The negative charge makes the dust not only cling together and get stuck in the filter better, but it also makes it no longer attracted to the plastic in the dash.

I'm not sure if the ion generator works with the heat is on. I'll look into that.


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