Should I recharge the AC myself?
#21
Re: Should I recharge the AC myself?
A common practice is to pour a gallon of acetone into your gas tank, top it off and drive it until nearly empty. This supposedly purges accumlated carbon on the cat honeycomb structure. It's a cheap fix if it works. Make sure you use a funnel and don't get it on your paint.
An anti-fouler on the downstream O2 sensor can make the code go away.
#22
Re: Should I recharge the AC myself?
A common practice is to pour a gallon of acetone into your gas tank, top it off and drive it until nearly empty. This supposedly purges accumlated carbon on the cat honeycomb structure. It's a cheap fix if it works. Make sure you use a funnel and don't get it on your paint.
There are commercial fuel additives that claim to clean cats, but I'm dubious. So was this guy:
and this guy actually got smog readings before and after:
This is, I think, the most informative video around, demonstrating pretty convincingly that cleaning a failed cat is a waste of time. However, if the cat was only clogged, the way this guy did it might work.
#24
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The fears concerning the fuel system components are a throw back to the first days of ethanol. If a fuel system can be used with E10, then it can handle acetone.
#25
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http://mykin.com/rubber-chemical-resistance-chart
LEGEND: 1 = Satisfactory, 2 = Fair, 3 = Doubtful, 4 = Unsatisfactory, X = Insufficient Data
(various rubber types ---> )
Code:
Ethanol 3 1 1 1 2 1 4 1 3 4 1 X 1 Acetone 4 1 4 4 4 1 4 3 4 4 4 2 1 Gasoline 1 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 1 2 1 X 1 M.C. 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 2 X 1
Fuel system parts are going to be chosen from substances with a "1" in the gasoline row. There are four of them listed, two of them are doubtful for EtOH and the other two safe. Presumably nowadays with E10 they would choose materials that are safe for both gasoline and EtOH. Of those two, one is also safe for acetone, and the other will fall apart if exposed to it. This is why I don't think that adding acetone to the gas is such a great idea.
If the acetone is already in try to burn through it as quickly as possible.
#27
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For PC, cataclean MSDS reports a composition similar to lacquer thinner...
https://www.tetrosylexpress.com/home.../KALCAT002.pdf
With a significant portion being acetone.
It may be temporary, but it's a good sign. A slight accumulation of carbon or other contaminants on the honeycomb can be cleaned this way. Those contaminants can impact cat efficiency and trip the P0420 code.
Contaminants can be due to mixture problems resulting from misfires, but you usually have associated codes when that happens (likely need new plugs or coils). More commonly, it's due to an accumulation of burned oil. If high mileage, it's probably just a result of the slight oil burn over the life of the car/cat. It's wise to monitor your oil level to ensure your oil consumption isn't high.
I wish I had tried this before replacing the cat on my 2nd 06 HCH2. Got a Magnaflow for about $500. Was pretty trivial to install, but I would rather have dropped $15...
https://www.tetrosylexpress.com/home.../KALCAT002.pdf
With a significant portion being acetone.
It may be temporary, but it's a good sign. A slight accumulation of carbon or other contaminants on the honeycomb can be cleaned this way. Those contaminants can impact cat efficiency and trip the P0420 code.
Contaminants can be due to mixture problems resulting from misfires, but you usually have associated codes when that happens (likely need new plugs or coils). More commonly, it's due to an accumulation of burned oil. If high mileage, it's probably just a result of the slight oil burn over the life of the car/cat. It's wise to monitor your oil level to ensure your oil consumption isn't high.
I wish I had tried this before replacing the cat on my 2nd 06 HCH2. Got a Magnaflow for about $500. Was pretty trivial to install, but I would rather have dropped $15...
#28
Re: Should I recharge the AC myself?
For PC, cataclean MSDS reports a composition similar to lacquer thinner...
https://www.tetrosylexpress.com/home.../KALCAT002.pdf
With a significant portion being acetone.
https://www.tetrosylexpress.com/home.../KALCAT002.pdf
With a significant portion being acetone.
The mechanism of action for those said to work after the combustion chamber is pretty darn obscure. Put a small molecule made of C,O,H into a running car motor and it will come out as CO, CO2, H2O, NOx and a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of the original molecule. Some of the gasoline also gets through. Normally the cat then breaks down all of the remaining gas and anything else which can still be burned, including any acetone.
That assumes the motor is working normally though. If there is a cylinder which is screwed up, so that it burns incompletely or possibly burns more oil than the others, a more substantial amount of unburned hydrocarbons will get through. The glop from that cylinder might have led to the cat to become clogged, and there is a slight chance that acetone (or anything else) might get through in high enough concentration to help that cat. But the car still has an unresolved issue and once the additive's cleaning is done it is just going to foul again eventually.
I have had exactly one car's cat fail. The sequence was, the mechanic decided to clean the injectors, which magically raised the MPG from 24 to 27. Two years later the cat died. I don't think it died because the injectors were working better, but because of the several years before that they had been out of balance resulting in too much unburned gasoline getting through.
#29
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I'm French, I know the exact words in French but not in English. Today, the car engine stopped a few times while I was stopped. Also, sometimes, when I accelerate, there is a delay in acceleration. Maybe the right expression is loss of throttle, please let me know. Now, the weather is really hot in Miami, and my gas tank is 60% full. I hope this problem will go away once the tank is empty, and I refill it with only gas.
#30
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When an oxygen sensor went out on our Accord it was also doing both of these things. My impression is that pretty much anything that makes the motor run poorly, especially too rich or too lean, will give you those symptoms.