2014 Honda Accord PHEV Not Ready for Prime Time
#12
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I feel honored to bask in the glow of humbleness from his posts and to be able to read his lines gives me joy.....
#13
Re: 2014 Honda Accord PHEV Not Ready for Prime Time
Hey PKI, has Honda given you any software updates for your PHEV?
I would think by now they would have released an update or two (or service bulletins), and they may address some of your issues.
The dealers are sometimes behind on these issues and you may even have to shop around to other dealers till you find someone that knows more
I would think by now they would have released an update or two (or service bulletins), and they may address some of your issues.
The dealers are sometimes behind on these issues and you may even have to shop around to other dealers till you find someone that knows more
#14
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I think the fact that he doesn't deny the fact that he works for, or benefits from, Honda sales says it all.
Last edited by pki730; 04-07-2014 at 06:00 PM.
#15
Re: 2014 Honda Accord PHEV Not Ready for Prime Time
Hey PKI, has Honda given you any software updates for your PHEV?
I would think by now they would have released an update or two (or service bulletins), and they may address some of your issues.
The dealers are sometimes behind on these issues and you may even have to shop around to other dealers till you find someone that knows more
I would think by now they would have released an update or two (or service bulletins), and they may address some of your issues.
The dealers are sometimes behind on these issues and you may even have to shop around to other dealers till you find someone that knows more
I get that the economics dictate that they pay more attention to their "traditional" car and truck lines. I just want people to be aware of what I'm dealing with so that they go into the PHEV with their expectations adjusted accordingly and with full knowledge of what they are getting into.
#16
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They did give me an update about 2 months ago. It actually made the car run more on gas and less on electric. I think they've released at least two updates. The reality, I've found, is that they don't put much time into the PHEV Accord. There are probably less than 200 of them on the road in the U.S., and I'm not hearing any news as to any efforts to expand their PHEV line.
Below are some comparative numbers. Honda sold 366K Accords in the US in total for 2013...
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01...-year-end.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/04...es-ranked.html
#17
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Youre actually wrong on almost all counts.
Last edited by Shogun; 04-08-2014 at 01:03 AM.
#18
Re: 2014 Honda Accord PHEV Not Ready for Prime Time
http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ indicates there are 595 that were sold/leased in the US.
Below are some comparative numbers. Honda sold 366K Accords in the US in total for 2013...
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01...-year-end.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/04...es-ranked.html
Below are some comparative numbers. Honda sold 366K Accords in the US in total for 2013...
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/01...-year-end.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/04...es-ranked.html
#19
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I think you simply had unrealistic expectations. You cant expect a 1st year model to be flawless. Every car has problems in its 1st year. The new models of the Camry, Focus and Escape all had lots of issues. If you are going to buy the 1st year, thats great but expect that its not going to be perfect.
Second, you said Honda claims the PHEV has a 15 mile range in EV mode. That is wrong. Even Honda themselves says it only has a 13 mile range and even then, thats under optimal conditions and it depends how you drive. Just like with my Camry. Yeah, they claim it gets 34 mpg highway but most of the time it doesnt because I drive too fast for the range that reading was take in.
Third, you complain that the EV range does down in cold conditions. Well...yeah. Everyone knows that batteries lose some of their power in the cold, so you cant really complain if you lose some EV range in the cold.
Fourth, you said Honda isnt offering any support, yet you yourself admit theyve released a couple updates.
To me, this reminds me of people who bought the 1st generation Prius, thinking it would get 50 mpg and then complain when they do all highway driving and it only gets 35 mpg; not realizing how a hybrid works and that the car gets its best milage in the city. Now, Im not saying that you dont understand how your car works, Im just giving an example of unrealistic expectations.
I understand your frustration but I dont think youre being very realistic and want to take your frustration out on an internet forum.
Second, you said Honda claims the PHEV has a 15 mile range in EV mode. That is wrong. Even Honda themselves says it only has a 13 mile range and even then, thats under optimal conditions and it depends how you drive. Just like with my Camry. Yeah, they claim it gets 34 mpg highway but most of the time it doesnt because I drive too fast for the range that reading was take in.
Third, you complain that the EV range does down in cold conditions. Well...yeah. Everyone knows that batteries lose some of their power in the cold, so you cant really complain if you lose some EV range in the cold.
Fourth, you said Honda isnt offering any support, yet you yourself admit theyve released a couple updates.
To me, this reminds me of people who bought the 1st generation Prius, thinking it would get 50 mpg and then complain when they do all highway driving and it only gets 35 mpg; not realizing how a hybrid works and that the car gets its best milage in the city. Now, Im not saying that you dont understand how your car works, Im just giving an example of unrealistic expectations.
I understand your frustration but I dont think youre being very realistic and want to take your frustration out on an internet forum.
#20
Re: 2014 Honda Accord PHEV Not Ready for Prime Time
I think you simply had unrealistic expectations. You cant expect a 1st year model to be flawless. Every car has problems in its 1st year. The new models of the Camry, Focus and Escape all had lots of issues. If you are going to buy the 1st year, thats great but expect that its not going to be perfect.
Second, you said Honda claims the PHEV has a 15 mile range in EV mode. That is wrong. Even Honda themselves says it only has a 13 mile range and even then, thats under optimal conditions and it depends how you drive. Just like with my Camry. Yeah, they claim it gets 34 mpg highway but most of the time it doesnt because I drive too fast for the range that reading was take in.
Third, you complain that the EV range does down in cold conditions. Well...yeah. Everyone knows that batteries lose some of their power in the cold, so you cant really complain if you lose some EV range in the cold.
Fourth, you said Honda isnt offering any support, yet you yourself admit theyve released a couple updates.
To me, this reminds me of people who bought the 1st generation Prius, thinking it would get 50 mpg and then complain when they do all highway driving and it only gets 35 mpg; not realizing how a hybrid works and that the car gets its best milage in the city. Now, Im not saying that you dont understand how your car works, Im just giving an example of unrealistic expectations.
I understand your frustration but I dont think youre being very realistic and want to take your frustration out on an internet forum.
Second, you said Honda claims the PHEV has a 15 mile range in EV mode. That is wrong. Even Honda themselves says it only has a 13 mile range and even then, thats under optimal conditions and it depends how you drive. Just like with my Camry. Yeah, they claim it gets 34 mpg highway but most of the time it doesnt because I drive too fast for the range that reading was take in.
Third, you complain that the EV range does down in cold conditions. Well...yeah. Everyone knows that batteries lose some of their power in the cold, so you cant really complain if you lose some EV range in the cold.
Fourth, you said Honda isnt offering any support, yet you yourself admit theyve released a couple updates.
To me, this reminds me of people who bought the 1st generation Prius, thinking it would get 50 mpg and then complain when they do all highway driving and it only gets 35 mpg; not realizing how a hybrid works and that the car gets its best milage in the city. Now, Im not saying that you dont understand how your car works, Im just giving an example of unrealistic expectations.
I understand your frustration but I dont think youre being very realistic and want to take your frustration out on an internet forum.
First, my expectations, much like the Honda vehicle that I've owned for a year, are not something you have a clue about. My expectations were that Honda would stand behind it's product, whether a new to market product or not. I certainly didn't expect the car to work perfectly. I did expect Honda to resolve issues with the car in a reasonable period of time. This isn't my first Honda; their traditional line of cars are typically reliable and their customer service in relation to those cars was always top notch.
It is the uncharacteristically poor level of customer service that is my issue, not the fact that the car doesn't work as advertised. Anyone who buys this car expecting "typical" Honda service levels should not expect it. Like many, when I purchase a Honda it's just as much, if not more, about the customer service, as it is about the vehicle performance itself.
In fact, Honda puts little time and effort into supporting the PHEV, and that's the issue that concerns me. By all means keep speculating on a car you don't own, as well as the thoughts and expectations of a person you don't know since you seem to have a lot of free time to do so if that's what floats your boat.
Second, when a car gets 12 MPG in warm weather, it's losing 1/3 or more of its range in cold weather is a big deal. People should be aware of this. There are ways to insulate the batteries so that this doesn't happen, but Honda does not use any of this technology apparently. People should be aware of this if they are considering the car.
Third, numerous features on the vehicle don't work and there are electronic glitches on a regular basis that pop up. Maybe my "expectations" should be reasonable enough so that when important features don't work and Honda doesn't work towards a fix I should be okay with that, but I'm not.
Fourth, when Honda releases software updates that actually make the car perform worse, I don't consider that a good thing, and that has been my experience as well over the past year with the Accord PHEV.