What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
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Re: What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
All of us share some type of an obsession with improving mileage, some more than others.
I wonder what the true hybrid differential is?
I know a few are getting >40 MPG and others >45 MPG, etc. due to a series of techniques.
We all know that the gas Camry gets ~ +/- 25 MPG.
I wonder what mileage a gas Camry would get if an owner were to go through some of the tactics like the hybrid owners.
Sure, some of the tactics are hybrid only, but if a gas Camry driver accelerates slowly, cruises to stops, pulses and glides on the highway, inflates tires to 38 PSI, etc. it stands to reason that his mileage similarly increase.
Who knows, he might get 30 MPG or more.
Does anyone know of any gas Camry owners who are (similarly) mileage obsessed? What are their stats?
I wonder what the true hybrid differential is?
I know a few are getting >40 MPG and others >45 MPG, etc. due to a series of techniques.
We all know that the gas Camry gets ~ +/- 25 MPG.
I wonder what mileage a gas Camry would get if an owner were to go through some of the tactics like the hybrid owners.
Sure, some of the tactics are hybrid only, but if a gas Camry driver accelerates slowly, cruises to stops, pulses and glides on the highway, inflates tires to 38 PSI, etc. it stands to reason that his mileage similarly increase.
Who knows, he might get 30 MPG or more.
Does anyone know of any gas Camry owners who are (similarly) mileage obsessed? What are their stats?
The sum of these advantages is what's responsible for the 57% boost in the city cycle of the TCH vs the "regular" 4 cylinder Camry. Given consistent driving styles (e.g. "hypermiling"), the advantage would hold up. For all its criticism and the 'lack of correspondence to reality', the EPA cycle does give decent relative ratios that do hold up. Now, some drivetrains may be more optimized to the test cycles than others, and might 'break' the ratios, but that's another day's discussion.
#22
Re: What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
...The sum of these advantages is what's responsible for the 57% boost in the city cycle of the TCH vs the "regular" 4 cylinder Camry. Given consistent driving styles (e.g. "hypermiling"), the advantage would hold up. For all its criticism and the 'lack of correspondence to reality', the EPA cycle does give decent relative ratios that do hold up. Now, some drivetrains may be more optimized to the test cycles than others, and might 'break' the ratios, but that's another day's discussion.
#23
Re: What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
The following observations apply to my driving with no extraordinary technique save limiting my highway speed to 65 mph max.
Seeing that I own both a 2007 TCH and XLE-V6 I will offer the following...
Without special driving techniques the TCH beats the XLE-V6 in city driving by a margin of 2:1. However on the highway I limit my max speed to 65 mph and the XLE-V6 gets close to 35 mpg on flatland and maybe 30 mpg in modest hills compared to the TCH getting about the same at 65 mph. With the larger trunk of the XLE it has become my road machine of choice. It's added power/passing ability is an added benefit as well.
If the only driving you do is highway I would suggest you at least consider going with the non-hybrid for the same $$ and enjoy it's better highway driving abilities. BUT if you do any amount of city driving it's hard to match the TCH. The V6 sucks gas when sitting at stop and go lights and if you turn the engine off at every light (as the TCH does) I think you'd probably be replacing the starter rather quickly.
Seeing that I own both a 2007 TCH and XLE-V6 I will offer the following...
Without special driving techniques the TCH beats the XLE-V6 in city driving by a margin of 2:1. However on the highway I limit my max speed to 65 mph and the XLE-V6 gets close to 35 mpg on flatland and maybe 30 mpg in modest hills compared to the TCH getting about the same at 65 mph. With the larger trunk of the XLE it has become my road machine of choice. It's added power/passing ability is an added benefit as well.
If the only driving you do is highway I would suggest you at least consider going with the non-hybrid for the same $$ and enjoy it's better highway driving abilities. BUT if you do any amount of city driving it's hard to match the TCH. The V6 sucks gas when sitting at stop and go lights and if you turn the engine off at every light (as the TCH does) I think you'd probably be replacing the starter rather quickly.
#24
Re: What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
I think the "real" advantage in terms of mileage is going to vary for each person based on a number of factors that have been discussed on here numerous times and i won't bother listing them again. On average i imagine the normal Camry would get 24-28mpg for the
4 cyl model, that is. In the TCH my average is hovering around 38-42mpg for the year that i have owned it using no extreme hypermiling techniques.
4 cyl model, that is. In the TCH my average is hovering around 38-42mpg for the year that i have owned it using no extreme hypermiling techniques.
#25
Re: What is the real hybrid advantage in terms of mileage?
My 2000 Subaru Outback (4 cyl.-2.5L - they didn't make the V6 back then) would only yield about 650-700km/65L tank of gas - MAX. - with every trick (shifting to neutral, etc.), this is the best I could get out of a purely ICE car. The Sub. was made in Indiana - the 2009 TCH is/was made in Kentucky. So, after 8 years and 400,000km on the Sub., I decided to sell it, and purchase the '09 TCH.
I average, without trying too hard, about 900-1000km on the same 65L tank of gas. When you compute the L/100km (mpg) and the rising cost of gas, then it should be fairly clear which car is the better buy in the end.
No one ever asked me how my Subaru performed in terms of FE (only the AWD in snow), and now, almost daily, I am CONSTANTLY answering questions like, "How do you like the hybrid?" and "What are you getting out of a tank of gas?"- not sure if I like all the extra attention...Still very ecstatic about the car - or I wouldn't be posting here now...
I average, without trying too hard, about 900-1000km on the same 65L tank of gas. When you compute the L/100km (mpg) and the rising cost of gas, then it should be fairly clear which car is the better buy in the end.
No one ever asked me how my Subaru performed in terms of FE (only the AWD in snow), and now, almost daily, I am CONSTANTLY answering questions like, "How do you like the hybrid?" and "What are you getting out of a tank of gas?"- not sure if I like all the extra attention...Still very ecstatic about the car - or I wouldn't be posting here now...
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