Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
#12
Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
After driving for about 1000 miles with K&N, I'm more consistent to hit 47.3-48 - not significant but I still appreciate the acceleration improvement.
#13
Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
Convenience and cost. What do you think the answer will be when the guy in the boardroom suggests using a filter that cost $15 bucks more (a guess) and has more maintenance. And some of these car companies produce 50,000 or more cars a week. Do that math.
That's one of the reasons why the aftermarket exists.
That's one of the reasons why the aftermarket exists.
#14
Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
Not to mention that air-filter maintenence is a recurring LABOR cost (money for the dealer) and NOT a recurring PART cost (money for both the dealer and the manufacturer).
Potential liability for over-or-under oiling (the maintenence) would likely be a concern also.
Potential liability for over-or-under oiling (the maintenence) would likely be a concern also.
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Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
Well, the general consensus among the racing guys is "It's the first mod we do," though they also strongly caution against over-oiling the filter, as it'll cause MAF (Mass Air Flow sensor) problems.
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Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
*** SCCCREEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCHHHH ***
That sound you hear is me slamming on the brakes after reading this: http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
That sound you hear is me slamming on the brakes after reading this: http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
#17
Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
Originally Posted by mmrmnhrm
*** SCCCREEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCHHHH ***
That sound you hear is me slamming on the brakes after reading this: http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
That sound you hear is me slamming on the brakes after reading this: http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
After I switched back to using Fram paper filters, I could go several years without having a rough idle from the dust build up. The Ford 5.0 V8 with EFI is prone to dust build up, but it normally takes 20 to 30K miles to show up, not 4 or 5K miles like I experienced with the K&N filter.
FYI, I did clean and oil the K&N filter a few times to see if it would help, despite the "50K before cleaning is needed" wording on the filter box...
PS - Interesting how well AC Delco's filter performed in that link!
Last edited by nash; 06-29-2006 at 09:30 PM.
#18
Re: Just installed K&N flat on my 1st gen HCH
Any performance benefits would be so minute, that you'll more than likely not feel it. It's called the "seat of the pants" test. Any power gains are possibly due to placebo effect.
The best indicator would be to test both filters either on a dyno, or a drag strip.
I believe the only benefit of a K&N is the ability to clean and reuse. You'll definitely save money over it's longevity. Personally, I'd rather not worry about cleaning and reoiling. I just buy the stock filter. I don't know if any tests have been done with Honda car filters, but their OEM motorcycle filters have proven to be superior to K&N.
If anyone is local within the Phoenix metro area, I have an accelerometer which tests 0-60, 1/4 mile times, and 60-0 braking. I'd be happy to meet up with you anywhere around here to test the K&N out. My accelerometer is accurate to within 1/100's of a second. Or, we could meet up at Speedworld Motorplex. Wednesday nights are $15 ($10 military), unlimited runs, run what you brung...
The best indicator would be to test both filters either on a dyno, or a drag strip.
I believe the only benefit of a K&N is the ability to clean and reuse. You'll definitely save money over it's longevity. Personally, I'd rather not worry about cleaning and reoiling. I just buy the stock filter. I don't know if any tests have been done with Honda car filters, but their OEM motorcycle filters have proven to be superior to K&N.
If anyone is local within the Phoenix metro area, I have an accelerometer which tests 0-60, 1/4 mile times, and 60-0 braking. I'd be happy to meet up with you anywhere around here to test the K&N out. My accelerometer is accurate to within 1/100's of a second. Or, we could meet up at Speedworld Motorplex. Wednesday nights are $15 ($10 military), unlimited runs, run what you brung...
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