Maintenance Minder
#11
Maintenance Minder 2 views
There is one point of view that says "I don't know any better, etc, so whatever the machine tells me to do, I am at its service, or they are mechanically illiterate and need something to remind them of required maintenance.
These are the folks that change their oil even before the MM tells them to. No harm with this mode, except that you are spending money, and wasting resources that you don't need to. In the case of the Civc MM, it is about 10-25% conservative it its recommendations. Over the life of the vehicle, many gallons of oil are wasted because of premature replacement caused by the machines recommendations.
The other is to establish a schedule based on the manufacturers mileage intervals (10K mile intervals) to perform the routine maintenance.
I chose the latter rather than the former, but not until I had verified that it was not detrimental to the vehicle. As many of you know I routinely test the drain oil, and have found that it is in excellent shape.
So my recommendation stands, 10K for oil & rotate tires, 30K for CVT and filters, and 100K for plugs, and coolant, and brake fluid every 2 years. I had left the last 2 off of my initial recommendation, but those cycles are standard for all vehicles. These intervals are about 2000 longer than the MM recommended intervals.
These are the folks that change their oil even before the MM tells them to. No harm with this mode, except that you are spending money, and wasting resources that you don't need to. In the case of the Civc MM, it is about 10-25% conservative it its recommendations. Over the life of the vehicle, many gallons of oil are wasted because of premature replacement caused by the machines recommendations.
The other is to establish a schedule based on the manufacturers mileage intervals (10K mile intervals) to perform the routine maintenance.
I chose the latter rather than the former, but not until I had verified that it was not detrimental to the vehicle. As many of you know I routinely test the drain oil, and have found that it is in excellent shape.
So my recommendation stands, 10K for oil & rotate tires, 30K for CVT and filters, and 100K for plugs, and coolant, and brake fluid every 2 years. I had left the last 2 off of my initial recommendation, but those cycles are standard for all vehicles. These intervals are about 2000 longer than the MM recommended intervals.
#12
Re: Maintenance Minder
There is no harm in more frequent maintenance intervals, except to your pocket book, and the use of more oil than necessary. But what they hay, lots of people like getting taken advantage of, as long as they get a pat on the head for doing so.
#13
Re: Maintenance Minder
Well that's all kind of what I figured. I was also assuming that without waiting for the MM to tell me it's time for an A or B service it wouldn't tell me about 1, 2, or 3. You would think the dealer would be pushing all kinds of additional services just for the purpose of it acting as a cash cow. I just know that the manual give no info on the "when" except "when" the MM says to do the services.
Oh well like I said, I'm never going back to the place that I purchased my car from for reason in addition to the MM.
Thanks for the info everyone!
Oh well like I said, I'm never going back to the place that I purchased my car from for reason in addition to the MM.
Thanks for the info everyone!
#14
Re: Maintenance Minder 2 views
There is one point of view that says "I don't know any better, etc, so whatever the machine tells me to do, I am at its service, or they are mechanically illiterate and need something to remind them of required maintenance.
These are the folks that change their oil even before the MM tells them to. No harm with this mode, except that you are spending money, and wasting resources that you don't need to. In the case of the Civc MM, it is about 10-25% conservative it its recommendations. Over the life of the vehicle, many gallons of oil are wasted because of premature replacement caused by the machines recommendations.
The other is to establish a schedule based on the manufacturers mileage intervals (10K mile intervals) to perform the routine maintenance.
I chose the latter rather than the former, but not until I had verified that it was not detrimental to the vehicle. As many of you know I routinely test the drain oil, and have found that it is in excellent shape.
So my recommendation stands, 10K for oil & rotate tires, 30K for CVT and filters, and 100K for plugs, and coolant, and brake fluid every 2 years. I had left the last 2 off of my initial recommendation, but those cycles are standard for all vehicles. These intervals are about 2000 longer than the MM recommended intervals.
These are the folks that change their oil even before the MM tells them to. No harm with this mode, except that you are spending money, and wasting resources that you don't need to. In the case of the Civc MM, it is about 10-25% conservative it its recommendations. Over the life of the vehicle, many gallons of oil are wasted because of premature replacement caused by the machines recommendations.
The other is to establish a schedule based on the manufacturers mileage intervals (10K mile intervals) to perform the routine maintenance.
I chose the latter rather than the former, but not until I had verified that it was not detrimental to the vehicle. As many of you know I routinely test the drain oil, and have found that it is in excellent shape.
So my recommendation stands, 10K for oil & rotate tires, 30K for CVT and filters, and 100K for plugs, and coolant, and brake fluid every 2 years. I had left the last 2 off of my initial recommendation, but those cycles are standard for all vehicles. These intervals are about 2000 longer than the MM recommended intervals.
#15
Warranty concerns
The issue of self maintenance vs. dealer maintenance to comply with warranty requirements has been long settled in the courts.
The burden of proof that a car was damaged by owner maintenance is on the manufacturer (dealer), and the burden of proof that the car was maintained to the manufacturers specifications is on the owner. So that simply means keeping a record of your maintenance.
For the HCHII the maintenance intervals are 10K (or 1 year), 30K, 100K, so as long as they are performed at those periods no self respecting dealer is going to give you any grief on a warranty claim.
However, with that stated, if you burn up the engine, because it did not have sufficient oil in the crankcase, or abused the car in other ways, then you are probably going to have to foot the bill.
The burden of proof that a car was damaged by owner maintenance is on the manufacturer (dealer), and the burden of proof that the car was maintained to the manufacturers specifications is on the owner. So that simply means keeping a record of your maintenance.
For the HCHII the maintenance intervals are 10K (or 1 year), 30K, 100K, so as long as they are performed at those periods no self respecting dealer is going to give you any grief on a warranty claim.
However, with that stated, if you burn up the engine, because it did not have sufficient oil in the crankcase, or abused the car in other ways, then you are probably going to have to foot the bill.
#16
Re: Warranty concerns
Also, I think Mobil 1 has some sort of warranty regarding engine problems due to oil at their suggested change interval (which is probably filled with legalese). Still it's something to fall back on IF you ever had a problem and IF Honda wasn't willing to help.
#17
Re: Warranty concerns
The issue of self maintenance vs. dealer maintenance to comply with warranty requirements has been long settled in the courts.
The burden of proof that a car was damaged by owner maintenance is on the manufacturer (dealer), and the burden of proof that the car was maintained to the manufacturers specifications is on the owner. So that simply means keeping a record of your maintenance.
For the HCHII the maintenance intervals are 10K (or 1 year), 30K, 100K, so as long as they are performed at those periods no self respecting dealer is going to give you any grief on a warranty claim.
However, with that stated, if you burn up the engine, because it did not have sufficient oil in the crankcase, or abused the car in other ways, then you are probably going to have to foot the bill.
The burden of proof that a car was damaged by owner maintenance is on the manufacturer (dealer), and the burden of proof that the car was maintained to the manufacturers specifications is on the owner. So that simply means keeping a record of your maintenance.
For the HCHII the maintenance intervals are 10K (or 1 year), 30K, 100K, so as long as they are performed at those periods no self respecting dealer is going to give you any grief on a warranty claim.
However, with that stated, if you burn up the engine, because it did not have sufficient oil in the crankcase, or abused the car in other ways, then you are probably going to have to foot the bill.
If you have very thorough records showing that you change your oil every 100k and the "dealer" states that it should be done within MM limits, what would a judge think of this? Is an oil analysis the only way to prove that an oil change interval of 100k is OK?
I too want the change my oil as infrequently as possible. I am just having trouble with trying to determine what oil change interval would be considered PROOF that I have abused my car.
#19
Re: Maintenance Minder
We, as well informed / educated drivers are going to ensure that our vehicle is properly maintained. You have recommended 10k (which I agree with). Even with all the data and analysis we can create, I would like to also factor in keeping my warranty valid. For example, if I have tons of data supporting a 10k oil change interval but someone responds to this thread stating he lost a warranty claim because he went beyond his MM at 8,711 miles, I would seriously consider "blindly" following the MM and abandon my 10k oil change interval.