Real Horse Power and Torque
#1
10-03-2006, 03:21 AM
Real Horse Power and Torque
What are the real horsepower and torque of HCH-II?
In some specifications i have read that is 110hp and in others 115.
What is the horsepower/torque of the engine and electric motor?
How HCH-II horsepower/torque are compared to a normal gasoline 1.4/1.6/1.8L car?
Honda claims that it is comparable to 1.8L. From what i have read from specifications my conclusions are:
1.HP/torque are comparable to 1.6L (only when the )
2.HP/torque are variable depending from the battery energy
e.g if you would climb up a mountain i believe that the performance of the car will be like a 1.4L (from its gasoline engine).
What do you think about it?
In some specifications i have read that is 110hp and in others 115.
What is the horsepower/torque of the engine and electric motor?
How HCH-II horsepower/torque are compared to a normal gasoline 1.4/1.6/1.8L car?
Honda claims that it is comparable to 1.8L. From what i have read from specifications my conclusions are:
1.HP/torque are comparable to 1.6L (only when the )
2.HP/torque are variable depending from the battery energy
e.g if you would climb up a mountain i believe that the performance of the car will be like a 1.4L (from its gasoline engine).
What do you think about it?
#2
10-03-2006, 03:53 AM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Well, the official Honda specifications have it at 110 hp and 123 lb-ft of torque.
The 2007 standard engine specs (which appear the same as the '06) show 140 hp and 128 lb-ft of torque.
So, slightly less torque, and a fair amount less horsepower. In practice, it feels like a standard engine, with plenty of pickup when you need it. One nice thing is that the Hybrid has max torque right off the bat, at 1000rpm, so acceleration from a stop is quite good, and is why it feels like an engine with more HP than it has. The standard engine hits max torque at 6000 rpm.
It's not a speedster, but it doesn't feel slow by any means. The times it feels slow is at the upper end, say 70mph plus...going above that feels slower than a standard engine. Climbing hills hasn't been a problem for me (and I've been on some VERY steep grades in west virginia). Usually, you'll be using 4-5 bars of assist the whole way up. If it's a 10 mile ascent, yeah, you'd be going slow once the battery ran dry, but in my experience, there's enough battery charge to get you up most large hills and mountains, unless you're going up a peak in the rockies. On the way down the other side, you'll completely recharge, so the engine will be ready for the next hill.
The 2007 standard engine specs (which appear the same as the '06) show 140 hp and 128 lb-ft of torque.
So, slightly less torque, and a fair amount less horsepower. In practice, it feels like a standard engine, with plenty of pickup when you need it. One nice thing is that the Hybrid has max torque right off the bat, at 1000rpm, so acceleration from a stop is quite good, and is why it feels like an engine with more HP than it has. The standard engine hits max torque at 6000 rpm.
It's not a speedster, but it doesn't feel slow by any means. The times it feels slow is at the upper end, say 70mph plus...going above that feels slower than a standard engine. Climbing hills hasn't been a problem for me (and I've been on some VERY steep grades in west virginia). Usually, you'll be using 4-5 bars of assist the whole way up. If it's a 10 mile ascent, yeah, you'd be going slow once the battery ran dry, but in my experience, there's enough battery charge to get you up most large hills and mountains, unless you're going up a peak in the rockies. On the way down the other side, you'll completely recharge, so the engine will be ready for the next hill.
Last edited by JordanCS; 10-03-2006 at 03:56 AM.
#3
10-03-2006, 08:24 AM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Time for some fun, since I was just looking things over for a SRI 
Standard 06 Civic dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/ca1920.gif
Hybrid 06 dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/sr1923.GIF
In both cases, the "standard" is the blue line. The orange represents the results with the CAI (standard) or SRI (hybrid).
Standard 06 Civic dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/ca1920.gif
Hybrid 06 dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/sr1923.GIF
In both cases, the "standard" is the blue line. The orange represents the results with the CAI (standard) or SRI (hybrid).
#5
10-03-2006, 11:45 AM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Originally Posted by JordanCS
Well, the official Honda specifications have it at 110 hp and 123 lb-ft of torque.
The 2007 standard engine specs (which appear the same as the '06) show 140 hp and 128 lb-ft of torque.
So, slightly less torque, and a fair amount less horsepower. In practice, it feels like a standard engine, with plenty of pickup when you need it. One nice thing is that the Hybrid has max torque right off the bat, at 1000rpm, so acceleration from a stop is quite good, and is why it feels like an engine with more HP than it has. The standard engine hits max torque at 6000 rpm.
It's not a speedster, but it doesn't feel slow by any means. The times it feels slow is at the upper end, say 70mph plus...going above that feels slower than a standard engine.
The 2007 standard engine specs (which appear the same as the '06) show 140 hp and 128 lb-ft of torque.
So, slightly less torque, and a fair amount less horsepower. In practice, it feels like a standard engine, with plenty of pickup when you need it. One nice thing is that the Hybrid has max torque right off the bat, at 1000rpm, so acceleration from a stop is quite good, and is why it feels like an engine with more HP than it has. The standard engine hits max torque at 6000 rpm.
It's not a speedster, but it doesn't feel slow by any means. The times it feels slow is at the upper end, say 70mph plus...going above that feels slower than a standard engine.
#6
10-03-2006, 11:45 PM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Could someone explain to me in more detail the dyno test?
What civic model has by specification 113 hp/111 torque?
Why the standard for the hybrid is 85 hp/98 torque? Honda gives 110/123.
What civic model has by specification 113 hp/111 torque?
Why the standard for the hybrid is 85 hp/98 torque? Honda gives 110/123.
Originally Posted by mmrmnhrm
Time for some fun, since I was just looking things over for a SRI
Standard 06 Civic dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/ca1920.gif
Hybrid 06 dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/sr1923.GIF
In both cases, the "standard" is the blue line. The orange represents the results with the CAI (standard) or SRI (hybrid).
Standard 06 Civic dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/ca1920.gif
Hybrid 06 dyno: http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/sr1923.GIF
In both cases, the "standard" is the blue line. The orange represents the results with the CAI (standard) or SRI (hybrid).
#7
10-04-2006, 07:28 AM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Originally Posted by eugene
Could someone explain to me in more detail the dyno test?
What civic model has by specification 113 hp/111 torque?
Why the standard for the hybrid is 85 hp/98 torque? Honda gives 110/123.
What civic model has by specification 113 hp/111 torque?
Why the standard for the hybrid is 85 hp/98 torque? Honda gives 110/123.
#8
10-04-2006, 09:23 PM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
According to Honda, the gas engine is good for 93hp @ 6000rpm and 89lb-ft. @ 4500rpm. The IMA motor puts out 20hp@2000rpm and 76 lb-ft. from 0-1160rpm. The combined figure is 110hp @ 6000rpm and 123 lb-ft@1000-2500rpm.
The others get 140hp@6300rpm and 128lb-ft@4300rpm.
The thing to remember is that we've got two different-shaped curves: one for the ICE and one for the IMA, and the shapes are very different. The ICE produces its maximum power at speeds where the IMA's power is dropping off. So the combined curve gives us that maximum of 110hp.
The really cool part is that the IMA's producing most of its torque at lower RPM's, so our low-end acceleration is better than you'd expect.
The others get 140hp@6300rpm and 128lb-ft@4300rpm.
The thing to remember is that we've got two different-shaped curves: one for the ICE and one for the IMA, and the shapes are very different. The ICE produces its maximum power at speeds where the IMA's power is dropping off. So the combined curve gives us that maximum of 110hp.
The really cool part is that the IMA's producing most of its torque at lower RPM's, so our low-end acceleration is better than you'd expect.
#9
10-04-2006, 10:46 PM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Does anyone knows if the hybrid civic is the same in US and Europe?
www.honda.co.uk gives 115 hp/6000 and 166/4600 lb-ft
I believe they are the same models, but the standards on how to measure HP and torque are different.
www.honda.co.uk gives 115 hp/6000 and 166/4600 lb-ft
I believe they are the same models, but the standards on how to measure HP and torque are different.
#10
10-05-2006, 10:31 AM
Re: Real Horse Power and Torque
Originally Posted by eugene
www.honda.co.uk gives 115 hp/6000 and 166/4600 lb-ft
I believe they are the same models, but the standards on how to measure HP and torque are different.
I believe they are the same models, but the standards on how to measure HP and torque are different.
