Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
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Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
I think the regenerative brakes, electric steering, eCVT transmission, electric motor, and batteries in the NAH are sourced from Toyota. Does anybody know if the accelerator and electronic throttle is also sourced from Toyota?
I suspect the Toyota problem is with the electronic throttles they started using in 2002, that's when all the complaints with unintended acceleration started. There have been complaints with unintended acceleration in the Prius, so I'm not sure to what extent the NAH has Toyota parts in them besides what I listed above. There are 4 complaints in the safecar.gov database for unintended acceleration in 2009 Altimas. I thought that the NAH and all Nissans had a safety feature where the brake overrides the accelerator if the computer senses input from both.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
I suspect the Toyota problem is with the electronic throttles they started using in 2002, that's when all the complaints with unintended acceleration started. There have been complaints with unintended acceleration in the Prius, so I'm not sure to what extent the NAH has Toyota parts in them besides what I listed above. There are 4 complaints in the safecar.gov database for unintended acceleration in 2009 Altimas. I thought that the NAH and all Nissans had a safety feature where the brake overrides the accelerator if the computer senses input from both.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
#2
Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
I think the regenerative brakes, electric steering, eCVT transmission, electric motor, and batteries in the NAH are sourced from Toyota. Does anybody know if the accelerator and electronic throttle is also sourced from Toyota?
I suspect the Toyota problem is with the electronic throttles they started using in 2002, that's when all the complaints with unintended acceleration started.
I suspect the Toyota problem is with the electronic throttles they started using in 2002, that's when all the complaints with unintended acceleration started.
From http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...along_st_N.htm
#3
Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
well there are more cases of unintended acceleration since 2002, but I don't think our NAH's are affected. I think all car manufacturers have unintended acceleration, a lot of the time it's driver error. Toyota is different though because they actually have a design defect
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Thank you for sharing this article cwerdna, this is the important part of the article:
"Nissan spokesman Scott Vazin said "our designs are different" for the CTS assemblies. Throttle-pedal systems used on Nissan and Infiniti vehicles are linked to a feature than will "recognize when both the brake and accelerator are depressed and automatically reduce engine power," he says. That makes it easier for a panicked driver to stop a runaway car. "
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...along_st_N.htm
I even tried this feature on my car in an empty parking lot, and when the accelerator is depressed at the same time as the brakes, the brakes override the accelerator.
There have been complaints filed with NHTSA on unintended acceleration for the Camry Hybrid and Prius. Do a search here on model years 2007 onwards for Toyota Camry HV and Prius and see for yourself.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm
"Nissan spokesman Scott Vazin said "our designs are different" for the CTS assemblies. Throttle-pedal systems used on Nissan and Infiniti vehicles are linked to a feature than will "recognize when both the brake and accelerator are depressed and automatically reduce engine power," he says. That makes it easier for a panicked driver to stop a runaway car. "
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...along_st_N.htm
I even tried this feature on my car in an empty parking lot, and when the accelerator is depressed at the same time as the brakes, the brakes override the accelerator.
There have been complaints filed with NHTSA on unintended acceleration for the Camry Hybrid and Prius. Do a search here on model years 2007 onwards for Toyota Camry HV and Prius and see for yourself.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm
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Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
Yes, I wouldn't trust Toyota right now. They don't even have a recall for the ES350 besides the floormats and that's the car the CHP was driving when he and his family careened off a cliff
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Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
Here are 2 great articles which pin the blame on Toyota's ETCS-I system. From my research so far, it appears that NAHs use Nissan's own electronic drive by wire throttle and not Toyota's ETCS-I.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov...le29-2009nov29
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...otasuit29.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov...le29-2009nov29
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...otasuit29.html
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Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
"Nissan spokesman Scott Vazin said "our designs are different" for the CTS assemblies. Throttle-pedal systems used on Nissan and Infiniti vehicles are linked to a feature than will "recognize when both the brake and accelerator are depressed and automatically reduce engine power," he says. That makes it easier for a panicked driver to stop a runaway car. "
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...along_st_N.htm
I even tried this feature on my car in an empty parking lot, and when the accelerator is depressed at the same time as the brakes, the brakes override the accelerator.
There have been complaints filed with NHTSA on unintended acceleration for the Camry Hybrid and Prius. Do a search here on model years 2007 onwards for Toyota Camry HV and Prius and see for yourself.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...along_st_N.htm
I even tried this feature on my car in an empty parking lot, and when the accelerator is depressed at the same time as the brakes, the brakes override the accelerator.
There have been complaints filed with NHTSA on unintended acceleration for the Camry Hybrid and Prius. Do a search here on model years 2007 onwards for Toyota Camry HV and Prius and see for yourself.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm
- The CTS accelerator pedal assemblies are not used in Toyota vehicles made in Japan, only those made elsewhere so most of their hybrids are not involved in the latest recall.
- The Toyota hybrids also have a brake pedal priority system like that in the Altima hybrids. (You can also just put these cars in neutral to stop accelerating. The computer will then put the ICE back at idle ignoring the accelerator input and no damage will result)
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Re: Toyota parts in NAH and Toyota recalls
The Prius has had unintended acceleration problems for years. Toyota has not been forthcoming. Here is an article from 2007 detailing the problems with the Prius.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...eleration.html
There must be some glitch in the electronics or software for Toyota's ETCS-I. I highly doubt the pedals or floormats are the problem. If you search the NHTSA database for Vehicle Speed Control problems (ie unintended acceleration) on the 2001 Camry and the 2002 Camry, you will see a spike of 10x in the complaints from the 2001 model year to 2002 model year. Coincidentally, 2002 was the model year Toyota introduced ETCS-I in the Camry. Now all Toyotas are using ETCS-I. Toyota may be reluctant to admit that its ETCS-I has a glitch, because that may lead to a recall of all Toyotas, Lexuses, and Scions manufactured since 2002. That's why they're trying to blame floormats or sticky pedals, when the problem is something much more serious.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...eleration.html
There must be some glitch in the electronics or software for Toyota's ETCS-I. I highly doubt the pedals or floormats are the problem. If you search the NHTSA database for Vehicle Speed Control problems (ie unintended acceleration) on the 2001 Camry and the 2002 Camry, you will see a spike of 10x in the complaints from the 2001 model year to 2002 model year. Coincidentally, 2002 was the model year Toyota introduced ETCS-I in the Camry. Now all Toyotas are using ETCS-I. Toyota may be reluctant to admit that its ETCS-I has a glitch, because that may lead to a recall of all Toyotas, Lexuses, and Scions manufactured since 2002. That's why they're trying to blame floormats or sticky pedals, when the problem is something much more serious.