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Yukon19154 01-25-2019 05:50 AM

Used battery?
 
So I just spent 7k in November on a brand new GM trans, a few other minor unrelated items, and service at a GMC dealer. I'm now getting bad battery symptoms, along with a POBBD voltage variation exceeded limit code. I'd love to spend the money on a new battery since I plan on keeping the truck but I just don't have it. I could go with a "remanufactured" battery (2950 installed, 5 year warranty if they're still around to honor) or a used battery local from a reputable salvage yard for 900 bucks and put it in myself.
I'm leaning towards just throwing the used one in, even if it only lasts a year, then I'll replace the battery with a new one if it goes bad again.

I guess my main question is, if I install the used battery, does any reprogramming need to be done for the truck to be right?

I don't want to end up spending 1500 after buying the unit, then charges for towing and service after. I might as well just get the 5 year "remanufactured" battery and hope the warranty is backed up. Subscribe

S Keith 01-25-2019 02:34 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I only see one question. The answer is:

No.

Simply disconnect your 12V during the installation process. That will wipe all the error codes and the memory of the battery state.

Your solution is sensible; however, ensure the salvage yard gives you some kind of warranty - at least 6 months.

Yukon19154 01-25-2019 02:52 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Yes, I just didn't want to hear people trashing me for putting in the salvage battery. Got it, so just disconnect the 12v, then swap packs, and should be good assuming the salvage pack isn't junk.

thanks

S Keith 01-25-2019 03:01 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
You covered your a$$ enough at the outset to keep from setting me off... :)

dnt1010 01-30-2019 05:15 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Hey Super Kieth I am super happy that you did not go off man, it is really ugly and cringe worthy when you do that.
Quick question for you, I was quoted a remanufactured battery today and the company claims that it will have ALL NEW Primearth EV Panasonic Prismatic 7.2 NP2 modules in it. I have a quote in writing stating that. I have seen written on here in many threads that NO ONE can buy those? Are these guys lying (in writing) to me? I value your opinion please let me know what you think. I would rather not disclose the company at this time but if it pans out I will for sure let everyone know as it is quite a bit cheaper than the dealership price for a new OEM battery which was quoted at 3100 bones + 285 shipping costs and 1000 core charge

Yukon19154 01-30-2019 05:23 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Wait.... this "new" batt is less than the GM Online price (which won't be honored if you order it)? (BTW, the actual list today is over 4k)

I put the used battery in my yukon Saturday, so far, so good. No weak battery symptoms (hesitations, weird shifts, slipping into gear sensation, etc.) and mileage had already ticked up a few tenths back to what it was last year. BUT, I would return this in a minute for a truly new alternative.

dnt1010 01-30-2019 06:03 PM

Re: Used battery?
 

Originally Posted by Yukon19154 (Post 267276)
Wait.... this "new" batt is less than the GM Online price (which won't be honored if you order it)? (BTW, the actual list today is over 4k)

I put the used battery in my yukon Saturday, so far, so good. No weak battery symptoms (hesitations, weird shifts, slipping into gear sensation, etc.) and mileage had already ticked up a few tenths back to what it was last year. BUT, I would return this in a minute for a truly new alternative.

My old HYHO is actually still percolating along pretty good and I could make it quite a bit longer without a NEW battery but at over 200k miles I know it is deteriorated and I WANT a NEW one if I can get a good deal. I have been looking around for a battery builder that is able to purchase and install NEW modules. My trust level is pretty low right now as I was recently ripped off by a supposedly reputable battery rebuilder, they flat out lied to me on the phone and shipped me a pack of (6) 12 and 13 year old modules as being NEW. I can return them but I am not doing that just yet until I figure out something else. The kicker is this quote that I received today for a re-manufactured battery clearly states NEW modules and the guy I spoke with said they are NEW. Maybe all battery rebuilders are liars and scammers LOL? Quote is $2,649.00 + 140 shipping to my location. I am gunshy to order it as I may be disappointed AGAIN. Some company out there has to be re-manufacturing these packs for GM as the dealerships parts departments do have availability but at a very high price (more than I am willing to pay)

S Keith 01-30-2019 06:03 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I like how you poke me a little before you ask a favor. It's very endearing.

I have never stated you can't buy them. I have stated that you can only get them in a new pack. I have personally purchased approximately 2,000 NP2 modules; however, they were all part of Prius or Camry packs. I could have chosen to disassemble those packs and do whatever I wanted to with them, but I chose not to as it would not be profitable.

There are some situations where a dealership that isn't paying attention to profits will sell a pack that results in a price of $55.71/module. COST on a GM pack filled with NP2 modules would be $2,228.40.

One could also choose to buy a Gen1 pack for $48.40/module putting the cost at $1,936. The big national builders have been documented as doing this; however, the Gen1 does not use NP2 modules. It uses the prior generation, which do not perform nearly as well.

Demand a list of the module serial numbers and demand the right to inspect them WITHOUT voiding the warranty as most builders will void the warrant if the case is opened.

Otherwise, someone is lying to you.

dnt1010 01-30-2019 06:29 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
That is GREAT NEWS and Sound advice thanks, sorry about the poke but it is all in fun, got to be able to laugh a little.
First thing in the morning I will get an email out to this company and ask that the module serial numbers be provided before they ship it. I guess 2018 or 2019 manufacture dates would still follow the nomenclature from like a 2006 module I believe 2006 might be a H (I will have to reference back on that) so looking for maybe a T or U in the 4th position indicating 2018 or 2019 manufacture. I got a good feeling about this one man. I will follow up if I get it verified and do order it. Old HYHO is going to have like new awesomeness Haha.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gre...e608bd43cf.jpg
H year approx 12 year old battery module is NEW per my most "unfavorite" hybrid battery company. Unfriggin believable I am really upset with these guys.

S Keith 01-30-2019 06:38 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
T = 2018

The other option is they are procuring packs from nearly new totalled vehicles and claiming the modules are "new". One might be able to turn a profit on that.

I have NEVER seen a module older than 5 months in a newly purchased pack. For newer low-volume packs, I could see that going back even further.

You should post the company name.

dnt1010 01-30-2019 06:53 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I will be back to post all information for others to use if it turns out to be a legit deal. This company has Stellar Reviews all over the internet.
I also noticed a company out in Arizona called Phoenix Hybrid Batteries LLC with great reviews I may have to call them for advice, wink wink.
Thanks again for your help, you are a great resource of accurate information and greatly appreciated.

S Keith 01-30-2019 06:58 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Don't call those guys in AZ. I hear they're a$$holes. The guy that answers the phone is just a know-it-all

dnt1010 01-31-2019 06:43 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Haha very funny. OK I got a pic of a few of the module serial numbers this afternoon. I was sent a pic with 6 modules SHOWING serial numbers 19YRAN00831Q MB2 / 19YRAN00832Q MB2 / 19YRAN00833Q MB2 / 19YRAN00834Q MB2 / 19YRAN00835 MB2 / 19YRAN00836Q MB2 those numbers seem to indicate November 2016 manufacture date but no data on the remainder of the pack..... I hate to doubt the honesty of this company as they have a sterling reputation on the internet and EVERYONE knows that everything on the internet is 100% true.................................. what are the chances that they bought like 100,000 new modules in 2017 to get a huge discount and are simply dolling them out as needed?

S Keith 01-31-2019 06:55 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Zero

dnt1010 01-31-2019 07:29 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Zero AWH CIT LOL That is what I was afraid of. I will try to get all the module numbers tomorrow apparently they are closing up shop early every day until the weather improves in the Chicago area. If all 40 are indeed 2016 modules with same batch code it will be tempting to just order it anyway. I am trying to figure out what 2016 or 2017 hybrid uses 40 modules in its pack that these may have come out of, maybe a Lexus 450?

S Keith 01-31-2019 08:00 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
1) I would not choose to use a module that has sat since 11/2016 (> 2 years) even if it's really "new" unless I understood their life management program. Toyota requires its dealerships to put hybrids in ready mode for 30 minutes every two months to maintain both the 12V and HV battery health.
2) Given their relatively young age and assuming they originated in the upper 1/2 of the country based on "Chicago area", the expectation is that the modules are "like new" in terms of performance/capacity. Jaime's replacement modules from 2X Prius C packs from 2016 were "like new" when he did some limited testing. The recent 40 module pack GS450h pack I built from 2X Prius C packs from 2016 were "like new" when I tested all 40 of them.

dnt1010 02-01-2019 07:06 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Caution has been thrown to the wind, order is placed. Will ship Monday. I have a used Two Mode pack for sale 1500. Still in vehicle can witness that it works. You just have to help me pull it and put my new one in place Haha

Yukon19154 02-01-2019 11:30 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
So what's the cost on this battery?

dnt1010 02-02-2019 04:45 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
2649 + 140 shipping (shipping covers return of core also) . I will post all the details once I receive it Good Or Bad (probably next Friday) so others can order one IF it is in fact what they say it is.
It is probably only going to get harder and more expensive to find these hybrid packs for the GM Two Mode vehicles. The machines are becoming dinosaurs. I put my old pack and the 6 old modules (that the Bumblbee battery ripoff dude Ryan sold me as NEW) on Craigs list for 1500. Figured someone might need a used pack that they can refurbish especially since i already have 6 supposedly reconditioned modules. If I keep the core my Chicago connection has to have another 1000 for a core charge so I really cannot do any less than 1500 on the core and 6 used batteries. No Hits yet.
I will probably end up just dropping the old one in the crate that the new one comes in and sending it back anyway. Most Craigs list buyers are pretty iffy especially if it gets up over 50 bucks LOL.

S Keith 02-02-2019 07:51 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
$1500 for your old ragged out battery is a rip off. Why would you try to [email protected]#k somebody else in need? Honestly, the $1000 core charge is WAY MORE than it's worth. Just send it back.

I wish you had disclosed you were procuring those "new" modules from Bumblebee. I could have saved you the hassle, and I could have saved them the grief. Ryan is a recent hire, and he likely didn't know the difference since they also cell NEW sticks for the Hondas.

S Keith 02-02-2019 10:55 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
I have just received the actual story from the owner of Bumblebee. You have absolutely, positively misrepresented the sequence of events and the commitments made. You were explicitly told that they were not new modules but that they were tested modules for $42. When you complained that you could get used ones on eBay for $30, they refunded the difference. USED modules are different than TESTED modules. Used modules means you know absolutely nothing about them. TESTED means you know everything about them. The BB modules are likely LIKE NEW or NEAR NEW in their relevant performance metrics.

I have known the owner of Bumblebee for YEARS. He is an extremely ethical person and will go to great lengths to ensure things are done the right way, and his reputation reflects this. In this matter, YOU have demonstrated yourself to be less than ethical.

dnt1010 02-02-2019 03:26 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I appreciate you defending your friends however the facts are the facts no matter how you feel about it. I simply called and asked for new batteries I was told that they had them for 42 bucks each which sounded great so I ordered a box of 6. When they came in they were old used batteries simple as that. They offered for me to return them IF I paid for the return shipping and a restocking fee but I found that to be unacceptable. I asked to pay average market value of 30 bucks and they did credit my CC for a few dollars so that is a plus on their side. If I had been told that these were used reconditioned modules I would never have ordered them!.What would I have to gain by going through all that hassle? Now here is my issue with you questioning my honesty/integrity and ethics. It is very offensive and completely uncalled for. I will ask you to STOP with the insults. If you cannot control your emotions and keep a civil tongue on here maybe you should take a break for a while?.

S Keith 02-02-2019 08:26 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Funny you used the word "facts". You should understand what that means. You've only made claims. Given the known credibility of Bumblebee, their claims are most likely the facts. I suspect you're just a sh!t stirrer who likes to play games. Your behavior on this site supports that.

You've also admitted to being less than ethical. You're trying to sell a ragged out battery for $1500 to some sucker on craigslist instead of just turning it in as a core.

dnt1010 02-03-2019 05:29 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
I received a call from one of your "friends" telling me how much you struggle daily with Autism. I was informed that you are a classic case of a high functioning "Autistic" person. Your world is completely different from reality and a lot of things here in the normal world just do not make sense to you, I have heard that a rubber band on your wrist that you can "snap" every few seconds to draw your attention and focus can help with that. (check out Ben Afleck in the movie The Accountant) It is also very important to get on and stay on your regular medication regiment as prescribed by your doctor.
Hopefully other posters are now aware of your shortcomings and will try to make allowances for you. it is sad that you are constantly agitated by normal people.
I do want to assure you that any profit that I am able to turn on this battery sell will be promptly donated to the American Autism Association.
I hope this helps.have a great day. GO RAMS

S Keith 02-03-2019 06:29 AM

Re: Used battery?
 

Originally Posted by dnt1010 (Post 267345)
I received a call from one of your "friends" telling me how much you struggle daily with Autism. I was informed that you are a classic case of a high functioning "Autistic" person. Your world is completely different from reality and a lot of things here in the normal world just do not make sense to you, I have heard that a rubber band on your wrist that you can "snap" every few seconds to draw your attention and focus can help with that. (check out Ben Afleck in the movie The Accountant) It is also very important to get on and stay on your regular medication regiment as prescribed by your doctor.
Hopefully other posters are now aware of your shortcomings and will try to make allowances for you. it is sad that you are constantly agitated by normal people.
I do want to assure you that any profit that I am able to turn on this battery sell will be promptly donated to the American Autism Association.
I hope this helps.have a great day. GO RAMS

Quoted for the absurdity that it is. That you would even type this really gives insight into the type of person you are.

Yukon19154 02-03-2019 06:47 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
The 1500 junk battery thing, especially when they're available from salvage yards for less money, already said something to me. Seeing the reply just digs a deeper hole.

Ckleven 02-03-2019 08:17 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
It'd be great if we could get back on topic here. Any thoughts or experience with the Bumblebee battery option? Any comparison to greenbean? Any other companies offering a rebuilt option?

dnt1010 02-07-2019 11:11 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gre...d5f7ad5255.jpg
Good thinking Ckleven. I just had my fill of the abrasive attitude from that guy. New battery just came in today. I have not popped the crate open yet, maybe this weekend. On the old battery for sale, in my area the 40 module GM packs with the fan as an integral part of the assembly are 1500 minimum at ALL salvage yards and it is hard if not impossible to verify how long it has sat without being used. It is easy to verify when it came to the yard but it may have sat for months at a body shop etc.. Prices on these particular packs are increasing on new and used. Low production numbers and the product being discontinued just add to the pain. Markets change rapidly and it is hard to keep up with values sometimes unless you are actually in it and shopping..... If you guys find (OEM unmolested) GM Two Mode packs complete for cheap I will buy every single one LOL. One thing I found was that most of the packs that you find in a salvage yard will be ones that people have dug into and molested. I am sure a person could "win the lotto" so to speak and get one that had been recently replaced with new, if they had the time and were persistent enough, odds are just to slim for me and I have wasted hours on the internet and making calls already.
Anyway if weather is good this weekend I will be swapping in the new pack and in the near future I plan on opening up the old one and doing some tests and post them.
I am super curious as to how the OEM modules have actually held up over 10 years and +200k miles. There is a thread on here somewhere where a guy posted some awesome spreadsheets with great data on his old two mode battery. It showed that almost all his modules were bad. His driving symptoms were much worse than anything that I have ever had with mine though and that makes me more optimistic that I may have a lot more use-able modules. We shall all see soon.

Yukon19154 02-07-2019 11:24 AM

Re: Used battery?
 
I paid 850 for a good used battery, and the truck runs fine, it was tested and warrantied. There are plenty available from salvage yards for under 1500, but with reconditioned for under 3k with a warranty why would anyone spend 1500 for a used one?

First sign of trouble with this used one, I'll be headed to dealer to get a new one installed, or since they're so easy to change (for anyone that can handle the weight) I'll probably just do it myself.

For anyone short on cash like I was after buying the GM trans, here's two sites that would list available batteries from many salvage yards;


http://www.car-part.com
Or Hollanderparts.com

There's at least 10 for under 1250 on car-part right now, with 3 or so under 1000.

S Keith 02-07-2019 12:01 PM

Re: Used battery?
 

Originally Posted by Yukon19154 (Post 267380)
I paid 850 for a good used battery, and the truck runs fine, it was tested and warrantied. There are plenty available from salvage yards for under 1500, but with reconditioned for under 3k with a warranty why would anyone spend 1500 for a used one?

First sign of trouble with this used one, I'll be headed to dealer to get a new one installed, or since they're so easy to change (for anyone that can handle the weight) I'll probably just do it myself.

For anyone short on cash like I was after buying the GM trans, here's two sites that would list available batteries from many salvage yards;

http://www.car-part.com
Or Hollanderparts.com

There's at least 10 for under 1250 on car-part right now, with 3 or so under 1000.

https://www.lkqonline.com/ is another one (didn't check to see if they have any available, but it's a good resource for salvage parts).

Don't bother him with facts. He'll rationalize whatever he wants to support his decision. He has already concocted the story that supports his decision to screw somebody else. I also noted that he didn't commit to opening the new pack and actually confirming these are "new" modules.

Additionally, we can expect him to back pedal when Jaime actually discloses the time, equipment and discipline needed to test these in a meaningful way. Lastly, at this point, I personally can't trust that anything he posts is trustworthy unless it's verified by a second party or by presenting supportive objective evidence.


dnt1010 02-07-2019 12:08 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Awesome websites thanks. Can you imagine the excitement if you could finding one a new replacement GM battery underneath that second row seat LOL would be like Christmas. My local yards are well aware of the rising values and there is no negotiating with these guys. Glad that you found that one at a great deal. Did you keep the old one? http://www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi

Yukon19154 02-07-2019 12:15 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I have the core, but I'll return. I'm not going to do anything with it so no value to me except getting my core refund. I only kept it in case the salvage one had a defect after using it. After a couple weeks of use, including some sub 10F temps, I think I'm ok. Haven't been able to do 28/30 mph in auto stop since I bought this truck, and now I can. Most I think I ever got was 25ish.

dnt1010 02-08-2019 06:03 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I am off work tomorrow so I will swap the packs out. Should be ready to do some testing on the old modules in a couple of days, currently waiting on Jaime to get me some info back on what equipment/procedures he used to gather his data so that I can test and post results that will be useful and informative to the forum.

I did find this great charity https://researchautism.org/ I will probably donate some funds once I get this new battery paid off. Lots of people in this world are in need of help.

lt1gmc 02-11-2019 03:25 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Is a battery pack from a GM dealer actually new, and is it the newer generation? I am looking at buying from the dealer at roughly $3200 and a $1000 core.

Yukon19154 02-11-2019 03:59 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
I was quoted 4200+1000

S Keith 02-11-2019 05:41 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
List price on the battery is $4200. "newer generation" has no meaning. Aside from the part number change, the batteries are essentially identical. The actual electrical cells have been essentially unchanged since 2004 with a very small tweak in 2010.

dnt1010 02-12-2019 05:36 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
Update: Replacement battery from Best Hybrid in Chicago area is installed. I was itching to pull the cover on the replacement battery and get ALL module numbers but they put seals on it and if I break them to pull the top the 3 year warranty is voided (bummer) so i will just have to trust them that all the modules are as they said (NEW) With the replacement battery in I can tell that it runs in EV mode a little more below 30mph and I see a lot more of the electric motor kicking in at highway speeds so it is an improvement. As stated earlier I really had no symptoms that I could recognize that the old battery was bad other than a few weeks back when the 2 codes popped up and it drove funny for a day. I have only owned it a short while so I have no idea how it actually drove when new. That is the main reason that I wanted the replacement battery just to see how it would do with it. I have the old battery on my workbench and intend on testing the modules before I either send it in as a core or it proves out to be a good use-able battery that someone may be able to utilize. The technology is fascinating to me, I am so glad that I ran across this old Hybrid Tahoe and that i was able to make it my daily driver "beater" ride. I have enjoyed it so far plus it lead me to this great forum with all the great/respectful/polite/civil/mannerly/humble/gracious/courteous/well mannered and helpful people here. I am honored to be a part of the team.
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dnt1010 03-07-2019 06:41 PM

Re: Used battery?
 
4 Attachment(s)
Old Battery testing is done (spreadsheet attached) it is very weak and the modules do not respond to discharge / charge reconditioning. Looks like it is in fact toast. Putting it back together and into the crate to return it. Also tested the Bought replacement modules, they are around 60% according to my data. (spreadsheet attached)
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