Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
#12
03-21-2007, 10:10 AM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
Wow $3.25/mile for 100K miles.... Over $300k for to produce and operate a Prius? I dont remember the Hybrids total cost of ownership TCO(including the price of the vehicle) even approaching $50k over the 5-6 years to put on that mileage. If so, either Toyota is losing a lot of $ per car or I am...
In any case, I bought the HCHII for selfish reasons - $$$ - lowest TCO over the 7-10 years I plan to drive it - and its a comfortable, reliable car.
BTW, had to sell my Jeep Cherokee to help buy the Hybrid. No more offroading (for now...).
In any case, I bought the HCHII for selfish reasons - $$$ - lowest TCO over the 7-10 years I plan to drive it - and its a comfortable, reliable car.
BTW, had to sell my Jeep Cherokee to help buy the Hybrid. No more offroading (for now...).
#13
03-21-2007, 11:02 AM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
Al Gore does not walk the walk which he talks. See recent stories on his huge electricity bills in his mansion for proof of that.
He might and probably does truly CARE about the environment. But telling people the sky if falling while he is wasting huge kilowatts of energy at his mansion is ample fuel for the criticism he deserves.
He might and probably does truly CARE about the environment. But telling people the sky if falling while he is wasting huge kilowatts of energy at his mansion is ample fuel for the criticism he deserves.
... but it doesn't quite work as an argument to refute Global Warming
#14
03-21-2007, 02:08 PM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
I was merely pointing out (correctly so) that AlGore just needs to put up with the criticism he is rightly due from his CO2 excesses and then move on with doing a better job of reducing his footprint.
He is the former "Temporary" President of the United States, after all....
#15
03-21-2007, 07:30 PM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
This was not about al Gore, it was about the cost of a Hummer Vs a Prius, and their energy use over their respective liftimes. Stick to the subject.
As far as that subject is concerned, you cant tell me that the nickel mine is Only pulling nickel for Prius batteries, therefore that point is mute, as is the point of all the other resources recanted.
It is a proven and established fact that more pollution comes out of the tailpipe of cars than any other source of pollution, period, so a hybrid is a natural progression and a move in the right direction. Are the car manufacturers remiss because it took them soo long to get here. Absolutely. We as consumers let it happen, because we continue to buy. What is the next step, time will tell.
That article is bogus.
Bill
As far as that subject is concerned, you cant tell me that the nickel mine is Only pulling nickel for Prius batteries, therefore that point is mute, as is the point of all the other resources recanted.
It is a proven and established fact that more pollution comes out of the tailpipe of cars than any other source of pollution, period, so a hybrid is a natural progression and a move in the right direction. Are the car manufacturers remiss because it took them soo long to get here. Absolutely. We as consumers let it happen, because we continue to buy. What is the next step, time will tell.
That article is bogus.
Bill
#16
03-21-2007, 10:11 PM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
#17
03-21-2007, 11:35 PM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
It's been said before, but Al Gore has done more than his share getting the word out, and any Republicans stirring up these stories are just trying to DISTRACT from the real problems. As always, typical Republican propaganda. Just sayin...
#18
03-22-2007, 07:31 AM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
I was not refuting Global Warming at all.
I was merely pointing out (correctly so) that AlGore just needs to put up with the criticism he is rightly due from his CO2 excesses and then move on with doing a better job of reducing his footprint.
He is the former "Temporary" President of the United States, after all....
I was merely pointing out (correctly so) that AlGore just needs to put up with the criticism he is rightly due from his CO2 excesses and then move on with doing a better job of reducing his footprint.
He is the former "Temporary" President of the United States, after all....
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...77_gore22.html
In my view Global Warming should not become a Democratic or Republican issue... preserving "our" environment should be above US Politics.
#19
03-22-2007, 08:12 AM
Re: Are we a bunch of Al Gore hypocrits?
Back to the hybrid and battery thing. It's my suspicion that the batteries are quite harmful to the environment when you look at overall picture(what it takes to makes the batteries etc.) and resulting damage. IMO there's some truth to the article and these cars are not as eco-friendly as marketers would have you believe. 
