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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
Thanks for the update. Please report back what they find.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
The dealer is recommending to replace the PCM first. If that doesn't fix the problem, they are suggesting that the TCM is probably at fault.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
Do you have a local independent shop that works on hybrids? I would want a 2nd opinion before spending much money at the dealer. My experience with Ford service on my FEH has been bad, they don't have the hybrid expertise to actually diagnose a problem before starting to replace parts.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
It was at an independant shop first (that works on hybrids) but they were not confident in their opinion so they suggested a Ford dealer. One of the local dealers does have experienced techs who have worked on city vehicles. I cannot afford to replace the TCM because it seems to be internal to the eCVT and replacing it even with a used one is probably cost-prohibitive. Some independants who work on the FEH are unable to program the PCM so it has to go to be towed to a dealer for that anyway. The ongoing PCM/TCM issues in some of these vehicles should be part of a safety recall or customer satisfaction program. Thank you for your input and beware of used, out-of-warranty Ford Escape Hybrid's - they can and will leave you stranded!
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
Thanks for following up.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
Thankfully, the PCM replacement appears to have worked. The Hippo has been driven a number of times flawlessly although I have not checked for codes or done a full FORScan on the system yet. Cost was a new PCM, 4 hours of dealer time for diagnostics, repair and programming as well as a new 12V battery. Hats off to the tech and service staff at Eastgate Ford in Hamilton, Ontario. The service department was rooting for this to work for us and it did. A bad TCM (transmission control module) would have doomed the vehicle since it's part of the eCVT which is not economic for me to fix. That said, used "insurance grade" eCVT's with low mileage are quite available in the U.S. for about $US1400 plus shipping and labour to install but I am up here in the the Great Lakes rustbelt region of Canada where its not a good idea to spend too much money on a vehicle that's over 10 model years old. The vehicle AC is also not working. If anyone has any thoughts on how to cool this Hippo, let me know.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
The following is a download of various tests and data from Hippo The Hybrid post PCM replacement. I have not reset any pre-existing DTCs yet so the old values can be saved. I ran a number of tests including PCM (powertrain), ACC (climate control) and BCM (battery) module tests. We are roughly 1000km post repair and the vehicle seems to be running well with no known glitches. No errors present on instrument panel including no wrench symbol, no CEL, no SSN (Stop safely now) . Average fuel economy at 6.5 litres/100km. Tires at 40 psi. AC does not work. When I get a chance, I will clear the old codes and rerun some tests. Results still obtained from FORSCAN (laptop version) using a PANLONG OBDII Diagnostic Scanner for iOS and Android. Model PL-W03. Other known issues are a leaking windshield washer reservoir (possibly an o-ring) and a damaged rear defroster grid (multiple scratches).
OCS - Occupant Classification System Module Part number: AL84-14B422-AA Strategy : AL84-14D224-AA Calibration: 9L84-14D225-AA Software version: v15 BCM - Battery Control Module Part number: AM68-10B687-AG Strategy : AM68-14C197-AG Software version: 2009-03-05 PSCM - Power Steering Control Module Part number: AL84-3F964-AD Strategy : AL84-14D003-AE Calibration: AL84-14D004-BB Software version: 2013-02-15 IC - Instrument Cluster Part number: AM6T-10849-DA Strategy : AM6T-14C026-AG Software version: 2009-06-26 Odometer: 119239.3 km ===PCM DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Powertrain Control Module ===END PCM DTC None=== ===OBDII DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: On Board Diagnostic II ===END OBDII DTC None=== ===ACCM DTC P0AFA:16-28=== Code: P0AFA - Hybrid/EV Battery System Voltage Low Additional Fault Symptom: - Circuit Voltage Below Threshold Status: - Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request - Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC Module: Air Conditioning Control Module Freeze Frame : -TOTDIST: 0.0 km - Total Distance -OUTTMP: 4 °C - External Temperature From Sensor -POWER_MODE: Running - Power Mode Status -AC_CIC: 0.80 Amper - Electric A/C Compressor Input Current -ACCM_CHVS: 0.00 Volt - Electric A/C Compressor High Voltage Supply -ACCM_ITEMP: 8 °C - Compressor Internal Power Device Temperature ===END ACCM DTC P0AFA:16-28=== ===ACCM DTC U0155:00-28=== Code: U0155 - Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module Status: - Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request - Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC Module: Air Conditioning Control Module Freeze Frame : -OUTTMP: 13 °C - External Temperature From Sensor -POWER_MODE: PM_Key_out - Power Mode Status -AC_CIC: 0.80 Amper - Electric A/C Compressor Input Current -ACCM_CHVS: 0.00 Volt - Electric A/C Compressor High Voltage Supply -ACCM_ITEMP: 16 °C - Compressor Internal Power Device Temperature ===END ACCM DTC U0155:00-28=== ===ABS DTC U3002:62-68=== Code: U3002 - Vehicle Identification Number Additional Fault Symptom: - Signal Compare Failure Status: - Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request - Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC - Test not complete Module: Antilock braking system Freeze Frame : -OUTTMP: 24 °C - External Temperature From Sensor -ABS: Inactive - ABS -AYC: Inactive - AYC -BTCS: Inactive - BTCS -201D -HDC: Inactive - HDC -RSC: Inactive - RSC -BTC: Inactive - BTC -VAC_BST_ST: Inactive - Active Vacuum Booster State -BST_REL_SW: Inactive - Booster Release Switch State -HYD_PMP_ST: Inactive - Hydraulic Pump State -VPWR_ABS: 14.30 Volt - Module supply voltage ===END ABS DTC U3002:62-68=== ===ABS DTC U3003:16-68=== Code: U3003 - Battery Voltage Additional Fault Symptom: - Circuit Voltage Below Threshold Status: - Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request - Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC - Test not complete Module: Antilock braking system Freeze Frame : -OUTTMP: 12 °C - External Temperature From Sensor -ABS: Inactive - ABS -AYC: Inactive - AYC -BTCS: Inactive - BTCS -201D -HDC: Inactive - HDC -RSC: Inactive - RSC -BTC: Inactive - BTC -VAC_BST_ST: Inactive - Active Vacuum Booster State -BST_REL_SW: Inactive - Booster Release Switch State -HYD_PMP_ST: Inactive - Hydraulic Pump State -VPWR_ABS: 12.30 Volt - Module supply voltage ===END ABS DTC U3003:16-68=== ===RCM DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Restraint Control Module ===END RCM DTC None=== ===TCM DTC P1A03-FF=== Code: P1A03 - Drive Motor A Shutdown Circuit Module: Transmission Control Module ===END TCM DTC P1A03-FF=== ===TCM DTC P1A04-FF=== Code: P1A04 - Generator Shutdown Circuit Module: Transmission Control Module ===END TCM DTC P1A04-FF=== ===TCM DTC U0100-FF=== Code: U0100 - Lost communication with the PCM Module: Transmission Control Module Diagnostic Trouble Code details Lost communication with the PCM Note: DTCs that start with 'U' are faults which occur during module-to-module communication. Modules should never be replaced based only on a 'U' code. These codes do not always indicate a problem, and can be caused by normal diagnostic functions, carried out on the vehicle. ===END TCM DTC U0100-FF=== ===TCM DTC P1A0A-FF=== Code: P1A0A - Immediate Shutdown Signal Module: Transmission Control Module ===END TCM DTC P1A0A-FF=== ===TCM DTC P0562-FF=== Code: P0562 - System Voltage Low Module: Transmission Control Module ===END TCM DTC P0562-FF=== ===OCS DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Occupant Classification System Module ===END OCS DTC None=== ===BCM DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Battery Control Module ===END BCM DTC None=== ===PSCM DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Power Steering Control Module ===END PSCM DTC None=== ===IC DTC None=== Successful DTC reading, no error codes found Module: Instrument Cluster ===END IC DTC None=== (OK) [21:25:35.916] Key On Engine Off On Demand Self-Test has been started (OK) [21:25:50.841] Test completed successfully, no errors found ACCM_CHVS 306.00 Volt Electric A/C Compressor High Voltage Supply ACCM_ECS 0 rev/min Electric A/C Compressor Speed ACCM_ITEMP 27 °C Compressor Internal Power Device Temperature ACCM_OCUR NO ACCM Over Current ACCM_OPWR NO ACCM Over Power ACCM_OTMP NO ACCM Over Temperature ACCM_Unr NO ACCM Unrecoverable AC_CIC 0.60 Amper Electric A/C Compressor Input Current EATC_STATE Operational State ECU Operating States GLOBTIM 429496730 sec Global real time MAINECUV 63.75 Volt Main ECU voltage supply OUTTMP 24 °C External Temperature From Sensor POWER_MODE Running Power Mode Status SELTESTDTC 0 Diagnostic Trouble Codes TOTDIST 0.0 km Total Distance P0A1F_01_CM No Fault Pack Voltage Measurement Error P0A1F_04_CM No Fault (-) Contactor Voltage Sense #2 Fault P0A1F_05_CM No Fault (+) Contactor Voltage Sense #2 Fault P0A1F_06_CM No Fault (-) Contactor Voltage Sense #1 Fault P0A1F_07_CM No Fault (+) Contactor Voltage Sense #1 Fault P0A1F_09_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Top/Bottom Wire Fault P0A1F_10_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Pack Voltage Sense Line Fault P0A1F_11_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Module Voltage Sense Line Fault P0A1F_12_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Reference Wire Fault P0A1F_13_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Internal Severe Fault P0A1F_14_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Internal Minor Fault P0A1F_15_CM No Fault VT Sensor #2 Communications Fault P0A1F_17_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Top/Bottom Wire Fault P0A1F_18_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Pack Voltage Sense Line Fault P0A1F_19_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Module Voltage Sense Line Fault P0A1F_20_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Reference Wire Fault P0A1F_21_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Internal Severe Fault P0A1F_22_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Internal Minor Fault P0A1F_23_CM No Fault VT Sensor #1 Communications Fault P0A1F_27_CM No Fault Module Voltage Out of Range Low P0A1F_28_CM No Fault Module Voltage Out of Range High P0A1F_30_CM No Fault Cell Failure P0A1F_31_CM No Fault Battery Module Voltage Deviation Fault R_LEAKN 390005 Ω Leakage Resistance (Bus -) R_LEAKP 390005 Ω Leakage Resistance (Bus +) TRAC_M_AMP 1.43 Amper Traction Main Current V_PACK 307.19 Volt Battery Pack Voltage AVG_SOC 36.98 % Average State of Charge AVG_TEMP 27 °C Average Temperature BATPAC_STAT Pack OK Battery Pack Integrity BSOC 38.60 % Battery Pack State of Charge (SOC) CCNT_BCM 0 Continuous Codes DELT_SOC 3.00 % Maximum Difference in State of Charge DELT_TEMP 1 °C Maximum Difference in Temperature DEL_MOD_V 0.00 Volt Delta Module Voltage DISCHRG_LMT 29750 Watt Discharge Power Limit EVAP_TEMP 24 °C evaporator temperature HEV_VEHSTAT Normal HEV Vehicle Status MAX_CHRG 22000 Watt Maximum Charge Power Limit MAX_SOC 38.98 % Maximum State of Charge MAX_TEMP 27 °C Maximum Temperature MIN_SOC 35.98 % Minimum State of Charge MIN_TEMP 26 °C Minimum Temperature P0A1F_01_CM No Fault Pack Voltage Measurement Error |
Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
12 mo follow up. The PCM replacement with a rebuilt Ford supplied unit has been successful, so far. No problems with the power train system post replacement including start/stop. I recently ran FORSCAN and i noted nothing out of the ordinary that I could see including state of charge, min/max charge, battery cell differentials, etc. Now that fair weather has returned, average fuel economy is approx 6.8 litres per 100, better than the 8.5 litres per average in the winter. It is certainly a fair weather bird.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
25 mo follow up. The PCM replacement with a rebuilt Ford supplied unit installed by a local hybrid knowledgeable Ford dealer has still been successful, so far. No problems with the power train system post replacement including start/stop. I recently ran another FORSCAN and i noted nothing out of the ordinary that I could see including state of charge, min/max charge, battery cell differentials, etc. in fair weather, average fuel economy is still approx 6.8 litres per 100, better than the 8.5 litres per average in the winter. It is confirmed to be a fair weather bird.
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Re: 2010 Ford Escape Hybrid No Start/No Crank DTC P0AFA-16
34 month follow-up. No noticeable issues with the PCM system and the Ford 12V replacement battery in the engine compartment has been reliable so far in winter and summer. No error codes on dash and drives normally. I have not run a FORSCAN recently but plan to do so when the weather warms up. Fuel economy is running about 8.5 l/100 km this winter. The winter tires are probably taking a 5%+ hit on fuel economy.
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