problems using 110 volt outlet?
#11
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by andyh
Check your specs. A lot of the beefy laptops are pulling 190 watts these days.....in fact, some of the not so beefy. The dash outlet is rated at 150 watts, and may not be putting the power to it that it needs......and that will burn it out.
I don't think I ever started the vehicle with anything plugged in but couldn't swear to it. I've used the "110" for cell phones, DVD players, PDA's, maglite charger and even a breast pump (my wife's, not mine) and of course the ill-fated laptop. Other than the laptop, nothing has had any problems. Just always going to wonder now.
I keep a MP3 player plugged into the upper (switched) 12 volt outlet and my two-way radio plugged into my lower (hot) 12 volt outlet so that it is always fully charged. The 110 came in handy for other stuff.....
Thanks for all the info. TeeSter, if you get a chance to scope it, that would be great.
#12
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by FEHlover
Thanks for the info. I am planning a trip from Va to Fla this weekend and my son had planned to use the 110v outlet. I think I will just bring an inverter for the 12v outlet.
You can always set a large deep cycle on the back floorboard and hook the inverter up to that. That's what we do on "camping trips".
#13
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by nitramjr
I thought of all that and looking at the adapter, it says it is rated for 100-240v, 50-60 cps with an input of 1.5-0.9A. The output power is 16v at 4.5 amps. The plate on the laptop itself also says 16v/4.5 amps.
#14
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by gpsman1
The voltage on mine tends to be very low. 95 to 107 VAC.
If the voltage is low, the amps go up to try and maintain wattage.
I suspect your laptop was under-volt and drew too much current through the light-duty power adapter that came with it.
Here's a thought. Why not get a 12v cigarette lighter adapter for the next one?
Your laptop probably has a 12v battery, or very close in the first place! ???
If the voltage is low, the amps go up to try and maintain wattage.
I suspect your laptop was under-volt and drew too much current through the light-duty power adapter that came with it.
Here's a thought. Why not get a 12v cigarette lighter adapter for the next one?
Your laptop probably has a 12v battery, or very close in the first place! ???
However.... if you aren't reading a perfect sine wave that can be WAAAAY off from the true RMS voltage of the signal which is the square root, of the mean, of the square of the waveform.
RMS V * RMS I gives average power delivered to your load. So when the engineers build something that simulates a sinewave but isn't quite right, they build it so that whatever waveform they put out ACTUALLY has an RMS of 120V RMS with no load so the same power is delivered.
You need a "True RMS" meter to read it correctly. Its one of the reasons FLUKE meters cost so much (that and a premium for brand recognition).
Incidentally... after all of that: I get an RMS voltage of 122.3 V and a frequency of 59.95 Hz with a Fluke. Which looks pretty good.
Also.... so everyone is aware. The ground line seems to go nowhere. for most devices that is fine since its usually just used for the shield on the outside of the device for safety. However some devices NEED that to be an earth ground for other reasons.
#15
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by TeeSter
If you do then you can do a simple calculation to find RMS voltage by multiplying the peak voltage by a factor (for some reason .7071 comes to mind but don't hold me to that).
That number also happens to be the sine (and cosine) of 45° - so I am sure the geometry of a sine wave plays into it somehow. Way too many brain cells killed to dig that deep and remember....
Also noticed that .7071 happens to be one-half of the square root of 2 which I am guessing is no coincidence that this number is used n a root mean square calculation.
Incidentally... after all of that: I get an RMS voltage of 122.3 V and a frequency of 59.95 Hz with a Fluke. Which looks pretty good.
Last edited by nitramjr; 08-02-2006 at 08:43 AM.
#16
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
I may be getting this wrong. But you can always use it to compare it to your situation. When I use a 12V cigarette lighter power inverter, my laptop always tripped it.
My laptop's power supply inputs are 100 - 240V ~1.8A 50 -60Hz
The power supplies output is 19V and 6.3A.
I have only plugged it into my 110V plug twice to charge it while driving home from work (60 minute commute.) I only plugged it in after starting the FEH.
The only other 2 items I have ever plugged into that outlet was a battery charger for my DeWalt cordless drill (not sure of its power needs) and the wall charger for my cell phone.
But I haven't witnessed/experience any problems.
I have read an article on the internet where someone went camping and plugged a TV, lamp and a hot plate into the 110V outlet in his FEH.
My laptop's power supply inputs are 100 - 240V ~1.8A 50 -60Hz
The power supplies output is 19V and 6.3A.
I have only plugged it into my 110V plug twice to charge it while driving home from work (60 minute commute.) I only plugged it in after starting the FEH.
The only other 2 items I have ever plugged into that outlet was a battery charger for my DeWalt cordless drill (not sure of its power needs) and the wall charger for my cell phone.
But I haven't witnessed/experience any problems.
I have read an article on the internet where someone went camping and plugged a TV, lamp and a hot plate into the 110V outlet in his FEH.
#18
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by nitramjr
.7071 sounds right (from my days of selling electric motors, power inverters, etc 20 years ago). I used to know what the relationship is but don't anymore.
That number also happens to be the sine (and cosine) of 45° - so I am sure the geometry of a sine wave plays into it somehow. Way too many brain cells killed to dig that deep and remember....
Also noticed that .7071 happens to be one-half of the square root of 2 which I am guessing is no coincidence that this number is used n a root mean square calculation.
I think that is better than the power in my house so unless there are major spikes at some times (starting the engine, going EV or something) I have less fear of plugging something into the outlet.
That number also happens to be the sine (and cosine) of 45° - so I am sure the geometry of a sine wave plays into it somehow. Way too many brain cells killed to dig that deep and remember....
Also noticed that .7071 happens to be one-half of the square root of 2 which I am guessing is no coincidence that this number is used n a root mean square calculation.
I think that is better than the power in my house so unless there are major spikes at some times (starting the engine, going EV or something) I have less fear of plugging something into the outlet.
Most of these things warn you about using switching power supplies or sensitive electronics on them.
#19
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by rihavo
I may be getting this wrong. But you can always use it to compare it to your situation. When I use a 12V cigarette lighter power inverter, my laptop always tripped it.
My laptop's power supply inputs are 100 - 240V ~1.8A 50 -60Hz
The power supplies output is 19V and 6.3A.
I have only plugged it into my 110V plug twice to charge it while driving home from work (60 minute commute.) I only plugged it in after starting the FEH.
The only other 2 items I have ever plugged into that outlet was a battery charger for my DeWalt cordless drill (not sure of its power needs) and the wall charger for my cell phone.
But I haven't witnessed/experience any problems.
I have read an article on the internet where someone went camping and plugged a TV, lamp and a hot plate into the 110V outlet in his FEH.
My laptop's power supply inputs are 100 - 240V ~1.8A 50 -60Hz
The power supplies output is 19V and 6.3A.
I have only plugged it into my 110V plug twice to charge it while driving home from work (60 minute commute.) I only plugged it in after starting the FEH.
The only other 2 items I have ever plugged into that outlet was a battery charger for my DeWalt cordless drill (not sure of its power needs) and the wall charger for my cell phone.
But I haven't witnessed/experience any problems.
I have read an article on the internet where someone went camping and plugged a TV, lamp and a hot plate into the 110V outlet in his FEH.
#20
Re: problems using 110 volt outlet?
Originally Posted by TeeSter
I'll try a 42" plasma TV tonight and a surround sound system... figure I'll put it on the back deck with the lid up and I can have an outdoor movie theater!!!!! I can sell popcorn!!!