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tollyho 05-20-2008 11:05 AM

Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
I keep hearing that Toyota and Honda have a 10 year warranty on their batteries. Is that really true? Do they last longer, and what will it cost to replace one? :)

BigTuna 05-20-2008 11:13 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
Honda's warranty varies by state. In most states the IMA battery warranty is 8 years 80,000 miles. Back in a flash.....

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/warranty.aspx


# Its IMA battery pack comes with an 8-year/80,000-mile warranty, or a 10-year/150,000-mile warranty in CA,CT, MA, ME, NY or VT.* See your dealer for details.
Toyota's warranty:

http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsyn...l/battery.html


The high-voltage batteries are warranted for eight years or 100,000 miles, and under California regulations the battery warranty extends to 10 years or 150,000 miles.
http://www.toyota.com/prius-hybrid/warranty.html


Hybrid-related components for hybrid vehicles are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles. The HV battery may have longer coverage under emissions warranty. Refer to applicable Owner's Warranty Information booklet for details.

bwilson4web 05-20-2008 11:52 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
Non-warranty, Prius battery replacements have been running around $4.7k including labor. However, some have used salvage packs, $500-1,200 and I'm working on a battery refurbishment technique that should be significantly less expensive, $50 although you'll have to do a lot of labor, ~40 hrs.

Bob Wilson

BigTuna 05-20-2008 02:48 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 

Originally Posted by bwilson4web (Post 173012)
Non-warranty, Prius battery replacements have been running around $4.7k including labor.

Bob Wilson

I've also seen prices around $4k for non-warranty replacements.

From Toyota in 2006:

http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsyn...l/battery.html



Q: What would it cost to replace a complete battery pack?

GS: Less than $3000, plus labor
Looks like the labor is not exactly cheap.

spinner 05-20-2008 07:13 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
Nick, are you yanking our collective chains? Two posts, two topics... (the the other) Are you thinking of trading in your non-hybrid Highlander?

BigTuna 05-20-2008 08:16 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
So I was checking out the battery pack specs, and the prices for individual cells. The Insight has:


IMA battery pack 144 volt NiMH (nickel metal-hydride) battery,
consisting of 120 cells providing 1.2 V each
Rated capacity 6.5 Ah (6500 mAh)
Individual "C" size cells are rated up to 6000 mAh but I couldn't find any that claimed 6500 mAh.

Individual "D" size cells are rated up to 12,000 mAh.

The 6,000 mAh "C" cells are $6 each. 10,000 mAh "D" cells are $7.20 each in packs of 16.

Lets go with the "D" cells since they beat the original spec.

120 times $7.20 is $864!!!

$864!!!!! That is way less than the $4k plus they are charging for a new traction pack and half again the capacity!!

BigTuna 05-20-2008 08:26 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
If my battery ever fails (out of warranty) I'll give serious thought to just replacing the individual cells, if that is possible.

velociT 05-20-2008 11:37 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
4.7k! eek... This was the determining factor on why I decided on the Jetta over a HCH. The honda salesman wouldnt even quote me a figure for battery replacement, so I knew it was a pretty penny.

bwilson4web 05-21-2008 06:03 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 

Originally Posted by velociT (Post 173132)
4.7k! eek... This was the determining factor on why I decided on the Jetta over a HCH. The honda salesman wouldnt even quote me a figure for battery replacement, so I knew it was a pretty penny.

This is perfectly fine because people have different thresholds of 'risk avoidance.' An engineer, I enjoy dealing with new technologies. Others, like my wife, are not technical and really need a system that minimizes her need to master new technologies.

Bob Wilson

laurie 05-21-2008 06:07 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
from what i have seen, the incidence of needing a replacement battery has been very small. there is a well known prius that recently reached almost 350,000 miles of use, and never had a battery problem.

unfortunately, it was hit by someone who ran a light and pretty much totalled. the driver was fine, the poor car wasn't. :cry:

GeekGal 05-21-2008 06:35 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 

Originally Posted by BigTuna (Post 173002)
Honda's warranty varies by state. In most states the IMA battery warranty is 8 years 80,000 miles. Back in a flash.....

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/warranty.aspx



Toyota's warranty:

http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsyn...l/battery.html



http://www.toyota.com/prius-hybrid/warranty.html

Ford's is the same, by the way. It's not just a Honda/Toyota thing.

gpsman1 05-21-2008 09:52 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 
I can get Ford OEM packs for $3000 from a wholesaler.
They are more or less "drop in" replacements.

I would say labor is about 1 hour, and you can DIY.
The hardest part is lifting the 200+ pounds out of your hatchback.

An engine hoist will do the trick if you have one.
I suspect you can rent these too in certain places.
:D

BigTuna 05-21-2008 01:17 PM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 

Originally Posted by GeekGal (Post 173154)
Ford's is the same, by the way. It's not just a Honda/Toyota thing.

Good point GG, thanks.

I naturally think of Honda and Toyota first when it comes to hybrids.

tollyho 05-22-2008 11:00 AM

Re: Hybrid battery replacement cost
 

Originally Posted by spinner (Post 173082)
Nick, are you yanking our collective chains? Two posts, two topics... (the the other) Are you thinking of trading in your non-hybrid Highlander?

My 2006 Toyota Highlander hybrid has been a bit of a disappointment with regards to mpg. It averages 26.3. It is leased, and the lease is over in March 09. I am not sure what I will do. So much depends on the price of fuel, and the state of the economy in March 09
BTW, What's wrong with two posts?


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