Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
#31
08-16-2005, 08:24 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
The new Camry Hybrid WILL BE 4 Cylinder !!!
http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsyn...bridcamry.html
From the story:
So they WILL be competing with themselves - the Prius.....Strange.....
http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsyn...bridcamry.html
From the story:
Most of Camry Hybrid's electrical powertrain components will be imported from Japan, but the 4-cylinder engine will be assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. As with all other Toyota vehicles featuring Hybrid Synergy Drive®, the Camry Hybrid powertrain will be engineered to achieve the model's specific performance specifications and to exceed buyer expectations.
#32
08-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
The Prius is still a smaller car, and still a hatchback with a funky shape. Even if the Camry had the exact same motor, it wouldn't exactly be "competing" with the Prius because the cars have different target markets. I expect the Camry will have a larger gas engine though, probably 2.0 - 2.4 liters rather than the 1.5 in the Prius, again putting it in a different target market. Still, it's interesting that they are going with the 4-cyl since it will almost certainly achieve significantly better numbers than the Accord Hybrid as a result.
#33
08-16-2005, 09:13 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Hi Lars-ss:
___I saw that post over at Edmunds and I believe Priuschat last night as well? Someone mentioned that it might use a Japanese sourced I4 of some kind? I was actually hoping that Toyota would use the Corolla’s 1.8 with an Atkinsonized intake. I hope they can get 50/40 from it …
___In either case, it is back on my short list. HSD equipped in an XLE trim with all the safety functions and the new body style … That works for us
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
___I saw that post over at Edmunds and I believe Priuschat last night as well? Someone mentioned that it might use a Japanese sourced I4 of some kind? I was actually hoping that Toyota would use the Corolla’s 1.8 with an Atkinsonized intake. I hope they can get 50/40 from it …
___In either case, it is back on my short list. HSD equipped in an XLE trim with all the safety functions and the new body style … That works for us
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
#34
08-16-2005, 01:37 PM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
It's great that another Hybrid will be built in the US, good for the economy. I hope Toyota makes a hybrid RAV4 and makes it in Canada since they are building a new plant to build them anyhow.
#35
08-18-2005, 03:48 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Uh oh, hopefully this turns out to be wrong, but the estimate (maybe based on preliminary data) is not so good according to this source:
#36
08-18-2005, 07:26 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Yes, that data seems like a mistake....There's no way the Hybrid Camry will only get 32 MPG City, in a 4-cylinder configuration. They could not have that data from Toyota anyway - I doubt Toyota has a road-ready version yet.....
#37
08-18-2005, 11:41 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Sunbyrne said:
Ah yes, I remember them well. When I needed a car cheap, my Uncle Leo found me a 1962 (this was in 1982) Buick Skylark stationwagon -- a basic 2 bedroom car with a sunporch. When a friend moved to CA, I took her couch, floor lamp and plants. You could sit on the couch with the floor lamp standing up. It made a great green house. On a good day it made it into double digit gas mileage. $200 and trouble free for a year, unfortunately I owned for 2 years. I had asked him to find me a compact car and he always insisted this was a compact car. I never believed him till I met somebody with the same year full size Buick which was more like an aircraft carrier (light planes could land on the hood). I got 9 or 10 mpg, the fullsize got 5 mpg -- is this hypomiling?
A bit more on topic, I'm disappointed that the mileage on the Camry hybrid may be low. A Camry station wagon with 40 mpg with all wheel drive would be a real SUV killer. There used to be Corolla and Civic stationwagons with AWD that always seemed like tremendously practical vehicles.
--Walter
We got by with large station wagons. You remember these things, big beasts, ... Most were also massive gas guzzlers.
A bit more on topic, I'm disappointed that the mileage on the Camry hybrid may be low. A Camry station wagon with 40 mpg with all wheel drive would be a real SUV killer. There used to be Corolla and Civic stationwagons with AWD that always seemed like tremendously practical vehicles.
--Walter
#38
08-18-2005, 11:55 AM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Don't fret about the Camry Hybrid MPG being "LOW" by any means !!
With Honda getting a 37/30 rating out of a V6 Accord, I'd bet the HOUSE that the 4-cyl Camry Hybrid comes in AT LEAST 42/34 and it will probably be higher than that !!!!
With Honda getting a 37/30 rating out of a V6 Accord, I'd bet the HOUSE that the 4-cyl Camry Hybrid comes in AT LEAST 42/34 and it will probably be higher than that !!!!
#39
08-18-2005, 12:28 PM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Hi All:
___Consider the Toyota 2WD HH w/ its 3.3 L ICE receives a 33/28 EPA rating and the non-hybrid Highlander using the 3.3 L receives just 19/25. The I4 equipped PZEV based 05 Camry has a 24/34 EPA rating. Even at its worst using the same percentages as the HH over the non-hybrid, the HSD equipped Camry should run in the neighborhood of 41/38. Given the Prius II’s EPA estimates, I have a feeling the Camry will pull quite a bit more using the atkinsonized 2.4 or whatever from the current Toyota Camry/Alphard hybrid. If Toyota decides to really shoot for the moon, they could clutch MG1 to lock it up at speeds > 41 mph thus removing the electrics from burning kW unnecessarily … I think that is the way HSD could keep things from spinning up at > then that speed anyway?
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
___Consider the Toyota 2WD HH w/ its 3.3 L ICE receives a 33/28 EPA rating and the non-hybrid Highlander using the 3.3 L receives just 19/25. The I4 equipped PZEV based 05 Camry has a 24/34 EPA rating. Even at its worst using the same percentages as the HH over the non-hybrid, the HSD equipped Camry should run in the neighborhood of 41/38. Given the Prius II’s EPA estimates, I have a feeling the Camry will pull quite a bit more using the atkinsonized 2.4 or whatever from the current Toyota Camry/Alphard hybrid. If Toyota decides to really shoot for the moon, they could clutch MG1 to lock it up at speeds > 41 mph thus removing the electrics from burning kW unnecessarily … I think that is the way HSD could keep things from spinning up at > then that speed anyway?
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
#40
08-18-2005, 02:59 PM
Re: Hybrid Camry shunning fuel economy for performance
Originally Posted by SunByrne
Well, excuse me, but sometimes we have a need to seat six, two of whom are kids in car seats (no way we squeeze into a Prius). And sometimes we need to haul more stuff than fits in a standard hatchback. What are we supposed to do? I'm sorry, but there's simply no way your beloved Civic is big enough for us. There is no other flavor of hybrid which meets our needs--none of them seat six. If there was no Highlander Hybrid, we would have gotten a conventional Highlander or maybe a minivan, all of which have worse mileage than we should get with the HH (and probably worse emissions, too). But we bit the bullet and spent several thousand dollars more to be more green.
But, for doing this, now we're the bad guys? Excuse me? Vent your anger on people who drive 12mpg full-sized SUVs, not people who have needs who are somewhat different from yours who are doing what they can to at least have lower emissions and get somewhat better mileage than the all-ICE equivalent. "Green" is relative, not absolute--if you were all perfectly green, you wouldn't drive cars at all. Impractical, you say? Sure, but you'd be greener if you did it, and you haven't--so get off your moral high horses. My wife's new Highlander is "green" relative to other options which met our needs. But I guess since we aren't going to get 40mpg, we're "defeating the purpose," right?
But, for doing this, now we're the bad guys? Excuse me? Vent your anger on people who drive 12mpg full-sized SUVs, not people who have needs who are somewhat different from yours who are doing what they can to at least have lower emissions and get somewhat better mileage than the all-ICE equivalent. "Green" is relative, not absolute--if you were all perfectly green, you wouldn't drive cars at all. Impractical, you say? Sure, but you'd be greener if you did it, and you haven't--so get off your moral high horses. My wife's new Highlander is "green" relative to other options which met our needs. But I guess since we aren't going to get 40mpg, we're "defeating the purpose," right?
Anyhow the point is that if you need a large vehicle fine, no problem. I didn't mean to lump you in with the whiners. Sorry for not making that more clear earlier.
