An Inconvenient Truth
#31
Ford Escape Drivers - Please Look For This
I have seen and recommend the movie as it makes an excellent case that Global Warming could impact us this century the way the World Wars and the Cold War did last century. I fully understand this could also be part of Al Gore's 2008 bid.
Questionaires were passed out, which I completed. The survey was asking if you saw movies such as Farenheit 9/11, etc....
All you Ford Escape owners, there are a couple of shots Al Gore is driving to his farm. Can you tell if the interior looks like a Ford Escape hybrid?
Questionaires were passed out, which I completed. The survey was asking if you saw movies such as Farenheit 9/11, etc....
All you Ford Escape owners, there are a couple of shots Al Gore is driving to his farm. Can you tell if the interior looks like a Ford Escape hybrid?
#32
Re: Ford Escape Drivers - Please Look For This
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
I have seen and recommend the movie as it makes an excellent case that Global Warming could impact us this century the way the World Wars and the Cold War did last century. I fully understand this could also be part of Al Gore's 2008 bid.
Questionaires were passed out, which I completed. The survey was asking if you saw movies such as Farenheit 9/11, etc....
Questionaires were passed out, which I completed. The survey was asking if you saw movies such as Farenheit 9/11, etc....
A few folks out there that think Global Warming is crap may see the movie, but I fear that they will go in with such a closed mind that it will not change their perspective.
#33
Cursory Judgements
Those of us that are proponents of hybrids have been frustrated by the rush to judgement against it. People that are afraid of it's technology - that it's dangerous and unreliable, even though this is unfounded. Others assume the gas savings will never pay for the cost of hybrid technology, even though there is plenty to suggest owning one at least five years driving 20,000 miles annually probably will. There is a emotional resentment of people driving 15mpg vehicles that feel threatened.... Finally, there is the mindset that since enviromentalists, Hollywood, and the left have embrased hybrids, you are one of them.
It's ironic that some people here are frustrated by the public's hesitancy to adopt hybrids, yet they react in a similar fashion to An Inconvenient Truth:
For the record, the movie was recommended by someone that is probably well to the left of me - I did not let that stop me.
It's ironic that some people here are frustrated by the public's hesitancy to adopt hybrids, yet they react in a similar fashion to An Inconvenient Truth:
- I don't agree with Al Gore - he is a left-winger
- ....therefore anything he says I'll probably reject
- Global Warming is a urban myth perputated by environmentalists to promote socialism. This is the undeniable assertion of talk radio hosts and others.
- Virtually every study confirms the Earth is warming by scientists world-wide. It must be a natural cyclical pattern, even if this jump is 5Xs larger than any other in human memory and still spiking....
- Margaret Thatcher concerned about Global Warming? Must be going senile. John McCain worried about Global Warming? He's not a real Republican - and neither is anyone else that believes this....back to point #1.
For the record, the movie was recommended by someone that is probably well to the left of me - I did not let that stop me.
Last edited by Delta Flyer; 06-12-2006 at 09:20 AM.
#34
Re: Ford Escape Drivers - Please Look For This
I've seen the movie twice and it will make a good collection to my DVD collection which includes "Farenheit 9/11". I was shocked to see the difference between MPG standards set by other countries vs the USA. Gore made a good point staying that the US can't sell cars overseas because they don't meet the MPG standards set there.
#35
Re: An Inconvenient Truth
I don't deny co2's greenhouse gas effect and that humans contribute to the warming seen recently, but that doesn't mean everything Al Gore says accurately reflects available science. I haven't seen the movie yet but stumbled onto this Canadian article.
I expect a full on debate concerning this movie in the scientific communitee, it appears there's already plenty that can be contested
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...9b1b3542ef&p=1
Some quotes
"I can assure Mr. Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas. In fact, if Gore consults the data, he will see it shows sea level falling in some parts of the Pacific." -- Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, University of Auckland, N.Z.
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"We find no alarming sea level rise going on, in the Maldives, Tovalu, Venice, the Persian Gulf and even satellite altimetry, if applied properly." -- Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden.
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"Gore is completely wrong here -- malaria has been documented at an altitude of 2,500 metres -- Nairobi and Harare are at altitudes of about 1,500 metres. The new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago. None of the "30 so-called new diseases" Gore references are attributable to global warming, none." -- Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, unit of insects and infectious diseases, Paris, comments on Gore's belief that Nairobi and Harare were founded just above the mosquito line to avoid malaria and how the mosquitoes are now moving to higher altitudes.
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"Our information is that seven of 13 populations of polar bears in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (more than half the world's estimated total) are either stable or increasing..... Of the three that appear to be declining, only one has been shown to be affected by climate change. No one can say with certainty that climate change has not affected these other populations, but it is also true that we have no information to suggest that it has." -- Dr. Mitchell Taylor, manager, wildlife research section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut.
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"Mr. Gore suggests that the Greenland melt area increased considerably between 1992 and 2005. But 1992 was exceptionally cold in Greenland and the melt area of ice sheet was exceptionally low due to the cooling caused by volcanic dust emitted from Mt. Pinatubo. If, instead of 1992, Gore had chosen for comparison the year 1991, one in which the melt area was 1% higher than in 2005, he would have to conclude that the ice sheet melt area is shrinking and that perhaps a new Ice Age is just around the corner." -- Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.
"The oceans are now heading into one of their periodic phases of cooling.... Modest changes in temperature are not about to wipe them [coral] out. Neither will increased carbon dioxide, which is a fundamental chemical building block that allows coral reefs to exist at all." -- Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
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"Both the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening. The temperature at the South Pole has declined by more than one degree C since 1950. And the area of sea ice around the continent has increased over the last 20 years." -- Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.
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"From data published by the Canadian Ice Service, there has been no precipitous drop-off in the amount or thickness of the ice cap since 1970 when reliable overall coverage became available for the Canadian Arctic." -- Dr./Cdr. M.R. Morgan, FRMS, formerly advisor to the World Meteorological Organization/climatology research scientist at University of Exeter, U.K.
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"The MPB (mountain pine beetle) is a species native to this part of North America and is always present. The MPB epidemic started as comparatively small outbreaks and through forest management inaction got completely out of hand." -- Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C., comments on Gore's belief that the mountain pine beetle is an "invasive exotic species" that has become a plague due to fewer days of frost.
I expect a full on debate concerning this movie in the scientific communitee, it appears there's already plenty that can be contested
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...9b1b3542ef&p=1
Some quotes
"I can assure Mr. Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas. In fact, if Gore consults the data, he will see it shows sea level falling in some parts of the Pacific." -- Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, University of Auckland, N.Z.
- - -
"We find no alarming sea level rise going on, in the Maldives, Tovalu, Venice, the Persian Gulf and even satellite altimetry, if applied properly." -- Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden.
- - -
"Gore is completely wrong here -- malaria has been documented at an altitude of 2,500 metres -- Nairobi and Harare are at altitudes of about 1,500 metres. The new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago. None of the "30 so-called new diseases" Gore references are attributable to global warming, none." -- Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, unit of insects and infectious diseases, Paris, comments on Gore's belief that Nairobi and Harare were founded just above the mosquito line to avoid malaria and how the mosquitoes are now moving to higher altitudes.
- - -
"Our information is that seven of 13 populations of polar bears in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (more than half the world's estimated total) are either stable or increasing..... Of the three that appear to be declining, only one has been shown to be affected by climate change. No one can say with certainty that climate change has not affected these other populations, but it is also true that we have no information to suggest that it has." -- Dr. Mitchell Taylor, manager, wildlife research section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut.
- - -
"Mr. Gore suggests that the Greenland melt area increased considerably between 1992 and 2005. But 1992 was exceptionally cold in Greenland and the melt area of ice sheet was exceptionally low due to the cooling caused by volcanic dust emitted from Mt. Pinatubo. If, instead of 1992, Gore had chosen for comparison the year 1991, one in which the melt area was 1% higher than in 2005, he would have to conclude that the ice sheet melt area is shrinking and that perhaps a new Ice Age is just around the corner." -- Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.
"The oceans are now heading into one of their periodic phases of cooling.... Modest changes in temperature are not about to wipe them [coral] out. Neither will increased carbon dioxide, which is a fundamental chemical building block that allows coral reefs to exist at all." -- Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
- - -
"Both the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening. The temperature at the South Pole has declined by more than one degree C since 1950. And the area of sea ice around the continent has increased over the last 20 years." -- Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.
- - -
"From data published by the Canadian Ice Service, there has been no precipitous drop-off in the amount or thickness of the ice cap since 1970 when reliable overall coverage became available for the Canadian Arctic." -- Dr./Cdr. M.R. Morgan, FRMS, formerly advisor to the World Meteorological Organization/climatology research scientist at University of Exeter, U.K.
- - -
"The MPB (mountain pine beetle) is a species native to this part of North America and is always present. The MPB epidemic started as comparatively small outbreaks and through forest management inaction got completely out of hand." -- Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C., comments on Gore's belief that the mountain pine beetle is an "invasive exotic species" that has become a plague due to fewer days of frost.
#36
Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Evidence that Gore's preferred global warming reduction policy, Kyoto, is failing miserably.
"Even among nations that signed Kyoto, the agreement looks like a costly bust. The International Council for Capital Formation, a think tank in Brussels, reports that the 15 European Union signatories will not cut their overall greenhouse-gas emissions by 4 percent in 2010, as the agreement dictates; instead, emissions will rise by 8 percent. Great Britain indeed projects lower emissions, but that's due to a one-time switch from oil to natural gas to fuel its electric plants and because Dupont closed a large plant."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...763801,00.html
"Even among nations that signed Kyoto, the agreement looks like a costly bust. The International Council for Capital Formation, a think tank in Brussels, reports that the 15 European Union signatories will not cut their overall greenhouse-gas emissions by 4 percent in 2010, as the agreement dictates; instead, emissions will rise by 8 percent. Great Britain indeed projects lower emissions, but that's due to a one-time switch from oil to natural gas to fuel its electric plants and because Dupont closed a large plant."
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...763801,00.html
#37
Re: An Inconvenient Truth
- Check out what has happened to the Artic icecap according the the US Navy since 1957 (40% loss)
- Why is the glacial melting all over the world more than a few decades and accelerating?
- Why are so many different sources reporting stuff like this?
- I remember hearing about Antartic ice shelfs breaking up in the news
- I know Dallas has had less snows in the winter and warmer summers.
#39
Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Originally Posted by worthywads
I don't deny co2's greenhouse gas effect and that humans contribute to the warming seen recently, but that doesn't mean everything Al Gore says accurately reflects available science. I haven't seen the movie yet but stumbled onto this Canadian article.
I expect a full on debate concerning this movie in the scientific communitee, it appears there's already plenty that can be contested
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...9b1b3542ef&p=1
Some quotes
"I can assure Mr. Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas. In fact, if Gore consults the data, he will see it shows sea level falling in some parts of the Pacific." -- Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, University of Auckland, N.Z.
- - -
"We find no alarming sea level rise going on, in the Maldives, Tovalu, Venice, the Persian Gulf and even satellite altimetry, if applied properly." -- Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden.
- - -
"Gore is completely wrong here -- malaria has been documented at an altitude of 2,500 metres -- Nairobi and Harare are at altitudes of about 1,500 metres. The new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago. None of the "30 so-called new diseases" Gore references are attributable to global warming, none." -- Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, unit of insects and infectious diseases, Paris, comments on Gore's belief that Nairobi and Harare were founded just above the mosquito line to avoid malaria and how the mosquitoes are now moving to higher altitudes.
- - -
"Our information is that seven of 13 populations of polar bears in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (more than half the world's estimated total) are either stable or increasing..... Of the three that appear to be declining, only one has been shown to be affected by climate change. No one can say with certainty that climate change has not affected these other populations, but it is also true that we have no information to suggest that it has." -- Dr. Mitchell Taylor, manager, wildlife research section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut.
- - -
"Mr. Gore suggests that the Greenland melt area increased considerably between 1992 and 2005. But 1992 was exceptionally cold in Greenland and the melt area of ice sheet was exceptionally low due to the cooling caused by volcanic dust emitted from Mt. Pinatubo. If, instead of 1992, Gore had chosen for comparison the year 1991, one in which the melt area was 1% higher than in 2005, he would have to conclude that the ice sheet melt area is shrinking and that perhaps a new Ice Age is just around the corner." -- Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.
"The oceans are now heading into one of their periodic phases of cooling.... Modest changes in temperature are not about to wipe them [coral] out. Neither will increased carbon dioxide, which is a fundamental chemical building block that allows coral reefs to exist at all." -- Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
- - -
"Both the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening. The temperature at the South Pole has declined by more than one degree C since 1950. And the area of sea ice around the continent has increased over the last 20 years." -- Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.
- - -
"From data published by the Canadian Ice Service, there has been no precipitous drop-off in the amount or thickness of the ice cap since 1970 when reliable overall coverage became available for the Canadian Arctic." -- Dr./Cdr. M.R. Morgan, FRMS, formerly advisor to the World Meteorological Organization/climatology research scientist at University of Exeter, U.K.
- - -
"The MPB (mountain pine beetle) is a species native to this part of North America and is always present. The MPB epidemic started as comparatively small outbreaks and through forest management inaction got completely out of hand." -- Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C., comments on Gore's belief that the mountain pine beetle is an "invasive exotic species" that has become a plague due to fewer days of frost.
I expect a full on debate concerning this movie in the scientific communitee, it appears there's already plenty that can be contested
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...9b1b3542ef&p=1
Some quotes
"I can assure Mr. Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas. In fact, if Gore consults the data, he will see it shows sea level falling in some parts of the Pacific." -- Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, University of Auckland, N.Z.
- - -
"We find no alarming sea level rise going on, in the Maldives, Tovalu, Venice, the Persian Gulf and even satellite altimetry, if applied properly." -- Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden.
- - -
"Gore is completely wrong here -- malaria has been documented at an altitude of 2,500 metres -- Nairobi and Harare are at altitudes of about 1,500 metres. The new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago. None of the "30 so-called new diseases" Gore references are attributable to global warming, none." -- Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, unit of insects and infectious diseases, Paris, comments on Gore's belief that Nairobi and Harare were founded just above the mosquito line to avoid malaria and how the mosquitoes are now moving to higher altitudes.
- - -
"Our information is that seven of 13 populations of polar bears in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago (more than half the world's estimated total) are either stable or increasing..... Of the three that appear to be declining, only one has been shown to be affected by climate change. No one can say with certainty that climate change has not affected these other populations, but it is also true that we have no information to suggest that it has." -- Dr. Mitchell Taylor, manager, wildlife research section, Department of Environment, Igloolik, Nunavut.
- - -
"Mr. Gore suggests that the Greenland melt area increased considerably between 1992 and 2005. But 1992 was exceptionally cold in Greenland and the melt area of ice sheet was exceptionally low due to the cooling caused by volcanic dust emitted from Mt. Pinatubo. If, instead of 1992, Gore had chosen for comparison the year 1991, one in which the melt area was 1% higher than in 2005, he would have to conclude that the ice sheet melt area is shrinking and that perhaps a new Ice Age is just around the corner." -- Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Department of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax.
"The oceans are now heading into one of their periodic phases of cooling.... Modest changes in temperature are not about to wipe them [coral] out. Neither will increased carbon dioxide, which is a fundamental chemical building block that allows coral reefs to exist at all." -- Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
- - -
"Both the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps are thickening. The temperature at the South Pole has declined by more than one degree C since 1950. And the area of sea ice around the continent has increased over the last 20 years." -- Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia.
- - -
"From data published by the Canadian Ice Service, there has been no precipitous drop-off in the amount or thickness of the ice cap since 1970 when reliable overall coverage became available for the Canadian Arctic." -- Dr./Cdr. M.R. Morgan, FRMS, formerly advisor to the World Meteorological Organization/climatology research scientist at University of Exeter, U.K.
- - -
"The MPB (mountain pine beetle) is a species native to this part of North America and is always present. The MPB epidemic started as comparatively small outbreaks and through forest management inaction got completely out of hand." -- Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C., comments on Gore's belief that the mountain pine beetle is an "invasive exotic species" that has become a plague due to fewer days of frost.
Are you suggesting here that Global Warming isn't happening???
Here is a website that might interest you:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm
Just because this article found a few scientiests that disagree, this represents a very small minority in the scientific community.
#40
Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Originally Posted by worthywads
Evidence that Gore's preferred global warming reduction policy, Kyoto, is failing miserably.
Are you trying to imply that because the world's very first attempt at reducing gases isn't going perfectly that we should just give up on it all together?
Anyone who thought the Kyoto Accord would fix everything, or even some things was only fooling themselves. Kyoto represented a paradigm shift in the way the world thinks about the environment. Never before have so many countries sat down & agreed on environmental regulation.
My point is that Kyoto is just the start. It may not work at first, but at least the rest of the world is starting out on the right track.