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2012 Camry Hybrid
Well, I've had my new Camry Hybrid for two weeks now. Comparing it to my 2007 Hybrid ...all I can say is WOW! On a 16 mile in town drive I averaged 51.9 mpg. On the highway, getting around 46mpg. The car is extremely quiet and no longer has the shutter/shake in the transition phase. The leather seats are more comfortable and the backup camera is pretty slick.
Basically, Toyota hit a home run with this car. 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE. White with Ivory interior. Sunroof, convenience package, Entune radio, etc. Note: Wish I could figure out how to attach pictures. |
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I haven't seen a new one yet, but it looks like the car is the exact same shape as previous. Can you confirm this is the case?
One complaint I had with the 2007s was that for my height, 5'11", it felt a bit like looking out a tunnel if there was a sunroof. I'm sure I'm not explaining it well, but basically I passed on having a sunroof. And I miss it. So if the roof slope is exactly the same in 2012, I suppose I'll be passing on the sunroof next time also. |
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I'd also love to see some of your per-tank MPG calculations when you have a few, please, and let us know if they're hand-calculated or read from the car's display. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by bmgoodman
(Post 239558)
I'd also love to see some of your per-tank MPG calculations when you have a few, please, and let us know if they're hand-calculated or read from the car's display. Thanks.
exactly. if it sounds too good to be true...:omg: I know a trick or two how to get picture of 99mpg on my 2007, if I want to. go to photobucket>sign up>upload a picture>resize it to about 600 x 800>copy image link> post. but why?;) it's nothing more or less, than another Camry in a row, and we already had too many of those pics floating around anyway. unless you managed to really street tune it:shade: in 2 weeks. |
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The 51.9mpg was via the display over 16 miles. The first tank of gas I got an average of 43.5mpg and that was via display and confirmed on miles divided by gas put on the tank. But, am I missing something here? Is there some error with the display calculation with a trip shorter than 20 miles, etc.? I drove 25 miles in cold weather today and got 46.5mpg (per display).
Needless to say, I am pleased as punch! I never ever got that kind of mileage with my 07 Camry Hybrid. In fact, my 05 Prius hardly got that kind of mileage. (NOTE: I am using the Eco Drive and when going below 25 miles I'll use EV only mode if I'm in a parking lot or heavy traffic.) Thanks for Photobucket tip. I think it worked: http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/...bum_view_click |
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Originally Posted by newfdude
(Post 239569)
The 51.9mpg was via the display over 16 miles. The first tank of gas I got an average of 43.5mpg and that was via display and confirmed on miles divided by gas put on the tank. But, am I missing something here? Is there some error with the display calculation with a trip shorter than 20 miles, etc.? I drove 25 miles in cold weather today and got 46.5mpg (per display).
The display difference on the 2007 TCH was about 1 1/2 gallon less than the calculated method. I had lots of trouble getting a reliable calculate number when buying from various stations with unlevel driveways. I have used the mfd readout for all, but the first 6 months when I bought the new '07. The 2007 TCH with the new mpg rating was about 33/34/34 city, comb, highway mpg. Although many could get 40 mpg combined. The 2012 XLE Camry hybrid is EPA rated at 40/39/39, city, combined, highway. Not sure why but both sites showed the same mpg for comb and highway. So basically most were getting 7 mpg higher than the combined EPA numbers. I would think with the more efficient 2012 you should be able to get around 46 to 47 mpg combined above the EPA estimate. My guess more like 50 + mpg as a challange once the engine is completely broke in. The 50+ would be more when the weather warms up. I also noticed on a gas powered 2012 LE at our local dealer came with the new Michelin Energy Saver a/s tires with the green dot symbol. These tires are good for a 8% increase in mpg. The non-hybrid LE I saw came with Bridgestone tires. If your new XLE came with the Saver tires I would suggest you run them at 40 psi cold with nitrogen. They should come with nitrogen, check the valve-stem tips for the green dot. Mine ride fine using 40 psi cold. I have the dealer over inflate them to 44 psi then at night at home I let them down to the desired pressure. Not sure why, but I find that nitrogen filled tires seem to ride smoother. I want a XLE, but the sales manager said it would come with the moon-roof. No problem, but i'm 6' 4" tall and if I loose a inch in the ceiling that may be a problem for me. Something about the XLE comes with EnTune, or was it the Navigation, which may include the moon-roof. |
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Congratulations - best of luck with our new car!
"On the highway, getting around 46mpg." At what speed? With or without the a/c on? |
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I have the same car without the tinted windows. The only difficult part is figuring out how to work Entune. I know the text messaging feature doesn't work for the iPhone yet.
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My WebOS phone doesn't work with Entune. I have been thinking of getting an IPhone. Does your Iphone work now and power Pandora on your radio? Does it do it with Bluetooth or do you have to have the USB cable plugged in. I have been reading some reviews and they read as if the Iphone worked for the APPS, but you had to have it corded into the aux plug in.
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My iPhone works with Pandora radio. You have to register for a Pandora account then enter the Pandora account information in the Entune application for it play. The iPhone does need to be tethered via a USB cable for the applications to work. Once tethered, then launch the Entune application and the navigation system will ask if you want to connect to your phone. Once connected you have full functionality of all the apps including playing music through the device.
There's also the option of playing music through Bluetooth. The sound quality is great; however, there is the ocassional skip due to the frequency that it operates in. Sometimes I switch from Bluetooth audio and physical tethering, that'll be up to you. Enjoy! :) |
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are they kidding? as in designers...
Well, my dealer just got back to me on this. They said that all 2012 Camrys, no matter which model, have the same display type showing all 4 tires in a row. They also said it's not possible to know which tire pressure symbol on the display corresponds to which actual tire. That's because with tire rotation, the transponder would be out of synch with the display if it did show that. So the answer is if 1 or more tires shows low on the display, you have to go out there and physically check each tire to find out which tire (or tires) needs more air. My dealer confirms the inability to know which tire has what air pressure via the Tire Pressure Monitor Display. In fact, my dealer states the display reports the first tire sensor reporting its pressure and adds the pressures as each sensor reports. And they don't always report in the same order each time. So rotated or not, it is a guesser's guesting game at best. Someone fell asleep at the programming and display station on this one. |
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The tire sensors can be reset to read each tire location correctly. Ford uses a magnet and some step by step procedure using the dash display. I do remember a hand held meter that would reset the sensors correctly after tire rotation. The meter I once saw cost over $400 which was years ago. I don't worry with which TPMS is on which wheel.
The 4 tire display may be on the new 2012 models. The 2007 TCH I drive only shows a single low tire warning which I have never seen come on while driving, although it will light anytime I start the car. The yellow indicator looks similar to this on the instrument panel. (!) |
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Originally Posted by ukrkoz
(Post 239749)
.... They said that all 2012 Camrys, no matter which model, have the same display type showing all 4 tires in a row. They also said it's not possible to know which tire pressure symbol on the display corresponds to which actual tire. ... [/I]
If a tire is low enough to trigger the warning, a quick visual inspection can determine which is the culprit. Further, checking the air pressure on the others (assuming you guessed incorrectly) isn't bad, since you might learn that one of the other tires is down a few pounds. Yeah, we live in an ultra high tech world where we expect precise information, but I'd prefer them to get the "rear light out" indicator to tell me which bulb failed (more of a PITA...especially if you're doing it alone) before they perfect the TPMS |
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from an honest guy who test drove it:
Driving impressions of the 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE Hey everyone. First let me say, how much I really enjoy this site..very informative. After having two Priuses I now own a 2010 TCH bought new and is nearly 2 years old now. I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, my car. However, I decided I would consider purchasing a 2012, not that I needed it, but I wanted it. My wonderful dealer in my small town where I bought my '10 from finally got a '12 XLE in, and let me take it for a spin recently. Here are my impressions: The first noticeable difference is it has slightly more pep than my '10. The ride, however, is not as good. It could be because the XLE had those awful Bridgestones and I have Michelin Primacys. The salesperson touted the '12 has these aerodynamic little fins attached all around the vehicle for more stability, especially in the wake of tractor trailers on the interstate. Well, the '12 was buffeted more than my '10. The '12 does seem to get better gas mileage, but not enough to really wow me. The '12 is lighter and actually feels like it. I prefer the heavier feel of my '10. The '12 does not have the temp control on the steering wheel, nor the auto windows all around. The instrument cluster on the '12 is somewhat confusing upon first glance. It's not as clean as the '10. I was definitely not impressed by the Entune system. The navigation component is basically like a Garmin you attach to the dash. I fully expected it override the radio when giving directions, but it did not, as most in car navs offer. The apps feature offered many things I would probably never use. I have never connected an iPod to my car in the nearly two years I've owned it. I do use the bluetooth freature, however. The '12 was as comfortable to drive as my '10. I am 6'5, so space is important. There was lots of wind noise from the moonroof. My '10 does not have a moonroof, which is what I prefer...one solid piece of metal (less to rattle and break). The '12 does have a button to deactivate the traction control, which the '10 does not. I know lots of people have inquired about deactivating the system. I guess Toyota listened. Overall, in my opinion, the '12 is a great vehicle worth considering, and I am still considering trading. But, its not something I am saying I just gotta have. Toyota has built a quality car as usual, but I think I really missing the wow factor that simply blows me away. I would love to hear other opinions on this vehicle. Thanks so much in advance for reading. Happiest of Holidays!!!!!!! |
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This review mirrors what I have observed with my new 2012 Hybrid.
http://www.hybridcars.com/compacts-s...-overview.html I thought the 2012 vs. the 2007 was rather stark. The big differences I noticed were a) seamless transition between EV mode and engine; b) Mileage. I drive 16 miles each way on a trip and I have been getting 52mpg. Never got that on my previous model; c) Rides quieter than previous model (which is amazing since I thought the previous model was great). MY ONLY WISH...memory seats to match seating position for two different drivers. |
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Originally Posted by newfdude
(Post 239890)
MY ONLY WISH...memory seats to match seating position for two different drivers.
Oh, and folding side mirrors! :) |
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Well then...only memory seats remain! The 2012 does have folding side mirrors.
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2012 Camry Hybrid XLE, Entune/Nav, Convinience - NO MOONROOF
Originally Posted by rburt07
(Post 239573)
Those are impressive mpg numbers for the cold weather. I drive a 2007 TCH and will estimate your 50 mpg should drop to around 46/47 mpg by the time your down to 1/4 tank of gas.
The display difference on the 2007 TCH was about 1 1/2 gallon less than the calculated method. I had lots of trouble getting a reliable calculate number when buying from various stations with unlevel driveways. I have used the mfd readout for all, but the first 6 months when I bought the new '07. The 2007 TCH with the new mpg rating was about 33/34/34 city, comb, highway mpg. Although many could get 40 mpg combined. The 2012 XLE Camry hybrid is EPA rated at 40/39/39, city, combined, highway. Not sure why but both sites showed the same mpg for comb and highway. So basically most were getting 7 mpg higher than the combined EPA numbers. I would think with the more efficient 2012 you should be able to get around 46 to 47 mpg combined above the EPA estimate. My guess more like 50 + mpg as a challange once the engine is completely broke in. The 50+ would be more when the weather warms up. I also noticed on a gas powered 2012 XLE at our local dealer came with the new Michelin Energy Saver a/s tires with the green dot symbol. These tires are good for a 8% increase in mpg. The non-hybrid LE I saw came with Bridgestone tires. If you new XLE came with the Saver tires I would suggest you run them at 40 psi cold with nitrogen. They should come with nitrogen, check the valve-stem tips for the green dot. Mine ride fine using 40 psi cold. I have the dealer over inflate them to 44 psi then at night at home I let them down to the desired pressure. Not sure why but I find that nitrogen filled tires seem to ride smoother. I want a XLE, but the sales manager said it would come with the moon-roof. No problem, but i'm 6' 4" tall and if I loose a inch in the ceiling that may be a problem for me. Something about the XLE comes with Navigation or it was the new Entune which may include the moon-roof and maybe the auto-dimming mirror with compass. Looks nice.. first 100 miles or so getting 42-43 MPGs. Will try to report more as I go. By the way, financial manager at the dealership put a slight pressure for me to buy extras such as warranty extension (5 or 6 years at 100K/125K), service (5 yr/75K) and a bunch of other smaller additions. Have rejected them all, including the etching. I think these are not worth to have - but just an opinion based on my reading and researching. Picture taken at the dealership when I got the car: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/me...hybrid-xle.jpg Good luck to all - go get this one its great! |
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After about 800 miles I am learning how to drive more economically. With Southern California freeway congestion comes better fuel economy, allowing the TCH to run in electric mode for a good portion of the miles. In the last two days, I am running about 50mpg for about my 50+ mile commute.
Henry:) |
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And what has your overall average been for the 800 miles?
I test drove the 2012 TCH last night and pretty much agree with ukrkoz's comments. Is it worth the switch from a pre 2012 TCH to the 2012 based on fuel efficiency only? From a money standpoint no - If you drive 20k miles a year, you will likely only save a few hundred dollars a year. Are there other reason's to trade up? Yes. The 2012 is without a doubt a great vehicle. But I don't think there are enough improvements/changes for me to make the change from my 09 TCH. Maybe the next generation TCH! |
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Actually, I am at 1,169 miles and at 45.4mpg overall. I expect it to get better now that I know the FE techniques. I did bump up the air pressure in the tires.
I compared it to my friend's 2010 TCH and the larger trunk, more power, better handling and more mpg (per the reviews) convinced me to get the '12. Henry |
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I think the real question is would you wait for a 2013 fusion over the 12 Camry. I have an 07 Camry, and its replacement will be used. 2013 fusion hybrid should get 49 city 44 highway, and be ev capable to 62 MPH. That is the killer. Plus li-ion batteries means less weight and good trunk space.
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Although the new 2012 does get much better gas mileage, I rather wait to see if Toyota ups their mpg on next 2013 TCH I hope later this year. My guess, it may have lithium batteries and more amps to up the mpg to meet or exceed Fords 2013 Fusion at approx 48 city.
Here were I live I would not buy the Ford Fusion. The reason being Ford here is a small dealership and I doubt their Certified mechanic is that good on working on their hybrid. I personally know the Certified mechanic at the local Toyota dealership. He has worked at that dealership for 12 years and is a excellent mechanic. He knows the hybrid very well and has been to all the hybrid schools in Phoenix to keep up with Toyota's technology. The TCH should bring more money on trade or for sale than the Fusion Hybrid. I saw some pictures of the 2013 Fusion (motor trend) and it looks like a cross from the front of a new Dodge (large mouth grill) and maybe a mix of a Mustang. At least Toyota is smart enough not to make erratic changes to it's Camry look. This reminds me of when Ford took their hot selling square body Taurus and made a new model with rounded off everything, including the rear window and even the dash. Sales dropped fast and the Camry sales took over ruled from then on. I always wanted a Camry due to it's popularity but could not afford one at the time. I save over the years driving a Corolla. When the hybrid version came out for this very popular car in 2007, I could not wait to buy one. It's definitely the best car I have ever owned. |
further experimenting with 2012 Camry Hybrid
Drove 150 miles over 5300' pass twice, and over hilly and flat at 60 deg F, mostly at 3000' generally moving with traffic but slowing down when the road was clear. Able to get EV mode at higher speeds than I thought possible. Averaged 44 MPG. Found all the dash metering/instruments to be helpful and 'disp'ed a lot. The pictorial of the engine-battery-wheels is the most instantaneous and often the shift between battery in and battery out signals changes that cannot be sensed without it although the ECO meter probably signifies this change as well. Watching the instruments can be addictive so if you have air pilot training, remember to look outside every once in awhile:-)
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I read somewhere the other day where Toyota was saying just how trouble free their nickle-hydride battery packs were. I read this when looking to see if the new Prius would include the new Lithium pack which I think I read, it will. Their was also a mention of a price increase for the Prius due to the more expensive battery.
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The Prius Plug-in is slated to have Li-Ion batteries. Whether the lithium ion batteries will be as trouble free and last as long as current battery packs remains to be seen.
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and I just drove this from Tracy, CA, to Seattle. You have no idea what we are missing. Germans must have had their fingers in this all through. Car is NICE.
Of course, the arguably bigger news comes in a smaller package - a 2.4-liter EcoTec package paired with a mild-hybrid system GM has dubbed "eAssist." eAssist makes use of a 115-volt lithium-ion battery, paired to a 15-kilowatt electric motor that is capable of producing 15 horsepower and 79 lb-ft of torque - putting total output at 182 horsepower and 172 lb-ft of torque. The system also makes use of regenerative braking, which combined results in a 25 percent increase in fuel economy to 25 city, 36 highway. In addition to this mild hybrid technology, Buick also equipped the latest LaCrosse with Start-Stop engine technology, which seamlessly powers down the engine at idle to conserve fuel, despite current EPA regulations failing to reflect savings in fuel economy ratings. Rounding out the changes that make these fuel economy figures possible is a six-speed automatic transmission, underbody aerodynamic tweaking and low-rolling resistance tires. I now can't even look at my cars. That Buick is very nice inside. And it drives. |
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I really wanted a 2013 Fusion HBV but I needed a hybrid now. I drove the Insight, Civic, Prius, Camry, and Volt.... I bought the Camry.
I had my 2012 Camry XLE HB next to my friends 2010.... The 12 has a smoother profile, n bulges in the hood or trunk. Also the trunk has a little more space, as pointed out by the dealer. So far I am averaging about 38 MPG combined. I just drove 215 miles this morning, and my calculated econ all highway was 38.9mpg. Interesting enough my display says 38.7mpg so it is darn close IMHO. My best rural/city mileage has been 47. This car is comfortable, I was going to get the Prius but my wife hated how small it was. This new Camry is perfect for my 200 mileage round trip daily commute. The things I have found I don't like are: The Bluetooth tends to disconnect every hour or so... You can not hand dial a phone number or access your contacts address book from the Nav display over 15 mph.... Speed dials or voice dial only... XM forecast will only be access from under 10 mph... it will stay up once you access it though. All the apps work fine with my android, but I feel they are not as useful as the Toyota engineers may think they are... how about some real apps like maintenance logbook, fuel econ, and ability to unlock and start the car from your phone (Like the Volt)... Having said all that I would buy this car again in a heartbeat... |
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Originally Posted by Jason Nipp
(Post 241055)
Having said all that I would buy this car again in a heartbeat...
I bought the LE hybrid and I love it. |
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I've been looking to replace my 07 Honda Civic Hybrid for awhile now. Honda's new civic hybrid is more expensive than the last and a bit of a let down not addressing the previous (my) models short comings. This Camry, though a bigger car seems to be giving better economy results real world, better equiped, and generally more appealing. I'll do some more research.
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Originally Posted by iwannagolf
(Post 241096)
+100.
I bought the LE hybrid and I love it. |
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Originally Posted by Big Steve
(Post 241442)
Why LE over XLE. Price? Not interested in XLE options? Trying to decide myself.
I simply wanted a reliable commuter car that gets me from point A to B and gets good gas mileage. This car definitely fits the bill! The extra gadgets would be fun to have but I'd rather save for retirement. That's just me I guess. No regrets and I love this car. |
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All good reasons.
Ours will be our touring car in retirement, and thus I think the Camry fits the bill better than the Prius. The Navigation and better sound system are attractive. Mileage cost might not be. Both better than my current 23 in my Subaru Outback (2003) What mileage are you getting so far? |
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Originally Posted by Big Steve
(Post 241447)
All good reasons.
What mileage are you getting so far? |
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I drove an XLE hybrid tonight and was pretty impressed. It is quite a nice car and I like what they have done with the increase in mileage. The ride is a bit stiffer and not as floaty as our 09 so I think Toyota has been listening.
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The tank readout mpg usually will be about 1 to 1 1/2 mpg higher than if you calculate it. I have a '07 TCH and found it's much better using the tank read to compare tanks to weather vs my methods of driving.
I also moved the scan gauge from my trade-in Corolla to the new '07 TCH. It helped me over two years to achieve top gas mileage with the new hybrid. My guess is these new 2012's will be much easier to achieve high mpg numbers due to better programming and the extra power from the engine. I do have a new XLE hybrid on order. I prefer the 17" wheels and tires, nice interior, fog lights and especially it coming with alloy wheels. I forget other factory goodies might be on the XLE. |
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I just purchased one that sounds exactly like yours!!
Originally Posted by newfdude
(Post 239553)
Well, I've had my new Camry Hybrid for two weeks now. Comparing it to my 2007 Hybrid ...all I can say is WOW! On a 16 mile in town drive I averaged 51.9 mpg. On the highway, getting around 46mpg. The car is extremely quiet and no longer has the shutter/shake in the transition phase. The leather seats are more comfortable and the backup camera is pretty slick.
Basically, Toyota hit a home run with this car. 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE. White with Ivory interior. Sunroof, convenience package, Entune radio, etc. Note: Wish I could figure out how to attach pictures. |
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Originally Posted by Big Steve
(Post 241447)
All good reasons.
Ours will be our touring car in retirement, and thus I think the Camry fits the bill better than the Prius. The Navigation and better sound system are attractive. Mileage cost might not be. Both better than my current 23 in my Subaru Outback (2003) What mileage are you getting so far? Even my 2001 Porsche 911/996 C4 gets ~30 "touring". |
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I think long distance driving is ONE of my 2007's strong point.. Just finished a 2600 mile trip from KC to Philly and back. Averaged 40+ for the trip at 70+ mph. Stayed ~ 5 over speed limit for the whole trip without a single burp. Car has 62k, was thinking about a 2012 but can't justify it to wife.
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