Where'd the U/A Problem Go?

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Old 06-27-2010, 03:11 AM
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Actually they don't. NHTSA took the rare step of issueing a statement clarifying this. Toyota's have a higher number of events, because there are more of them. "Statistically" (as in percentage of), Toyota's are no worse or better than the others...
Actually, I saw a stat that showed reports per vehicle sold, which should have the effect of factoring out the popularity, yet still showed an anomaly with respect to the last two years. Statistically, the Camry, over the short term, did have higher reports per vehicle sold than the other brands. Not sure where the proof is, but searching will reveal this point.
 
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Yes, the time period considered makes a difference. I meant it only for the model years in which Toyota was being pummeled. For those years Toyotas did have a higher rate of complaints. And, yes, we can't know why that was so. The role of publicity in generating complaints shouldn't be dismissed. Beyond that, we're speculating I think.

haroldo, I've often thought that a car's reliability record is influenced not only by who owns the car but also their expectations about its reliability. I've talked to several people who were reluctant to attribute defects in their Toyotas to the car because, after all, it was a Toyota! They ended up thinking they must have done something wrong to cause the problem. Toyota has earned a lot of good will over the years. It serves the company in many ways.
 

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haroldo, I've often thought that a car's reliability record is influenced not only by who owns the car but also their expectations about its reliability. I've talked to several people who were reluctant to attribute defects in their Toyotas to the car because, after all, it was a Toyota! They ended up thinking they must have done something wrong to cause the problem. Toyota has earned a lot of good will over the years. It serves the company in many ways.
It's been a while since Psych 101, but if I recall (or even learned) anything, i believe you just defined "cognitive dissonance". I got a B in the course, so I wouldn't swear by it, though.
 
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So where did the UA problem go?

1. Lawyers couldn't find any actual or implied neglegence to use to go after Toyota.

2. There IS NO #2.
 
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1. Lawyers couldn't find any actual or implied neglegence to use to go after Toyota....
Trust me, the class action lawsuit is in the works and a settlement (without admitting any guilt nor fault) will be forthcoming. I predict we'll all get $400 vouchers of the cost of a new car or accessories. Lawyers will split $35 million.
I predict this will be announced before November.
It's in everyone's best interest to move on.
 
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:25 AM
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"Trust me..."

No, Toyota will not offer a settlement until they are sure the problem exists....or it doesn't. That may take years and frankly IMO it's entirely possible that the truth will never be known/found.

Toyota can not "afford" to offer/pay a settlement and then have the problem pop up once again.
 
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Old 07-07-2010, 09:41 AM
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We live in a world where companies are being sued for global warming. A modest settlement is less costly than playing jackpot jury, with the risk of a $10-20B fine "...to teach them a lesson".
 
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:54 AM
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Surprise, surprise...

WSJ: Drivers In Some Toyota Crashes Hit Accelerator, Not Brakes
By Mike Ramsey and Kate Linebaugh
Of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. (TM, 7203.TO) vehicles involved in accidents blamed on sudden acceleration and found that, at the time of the crashes, throttles were wide open and the brakes weren't engaged, people familiar with the findings said.
The results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyota and Lexus vehicles surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes. But the findings don't exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap accelerator pedals to the floor.
The findings by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration involve a sample of reports in which a driver of a Toyota vehicle said the brakes were depressed but failed to stop the car from accelerating and ultimately crashing.
The data recorders analyzed by NHTSA were selected by the agency, not Toyota, based on complaints the drivers had filed with the government.
(This story and related background material will be available on The Wall Street Journal Web site, WSJ.com.)
The findings are consistent with a 1989 government-sponsored study that blamed similar driver mistakes for a rash of sudden-acceleration reports involving Audi AG (NSU.XE) Audi 5000 sedans.
The Toyota findings, which haven't been released by NHTSA, support Toyota's position that sudden-acceleration reports involving its vehicles weren't caused by electronic glitches in computer-controlled throttle systems, as some safety advocates and plaintiffs' attorneys have alleged. More than 100 people have sued the auto maker claiming crashes were the result of faulty electronics.
NHTSA has received more than 3,000 complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyotas, including some dating to early last decade, according to a report the agency compiled in March. The incidents include 75 fatal crashes involving 93 deaths.
However, NHTSA has been able to verify only one of those fatal crashes was caused by a problem with the vehicle, according to information the agency provided to the National Academy of Sciences. That accident last Aug. 28, which killed a California highway patrolman and three passengers in a Lexus, was traced to a floor mat that trapped the gas pedal in the depressed position.
Toyota has recalled more than eight million cars globally to fix floor mats and sticky accelerators.
A spokeswoman for NHTSA declined to confirm the results from the data recorders. She said the agency was continuing to investigate the Toyota accidents and wouldn't be prepared to comment fully on the probe until a broader study is completed in conjunction with NASA, which is expected to take months.
Transportation Department officials, however, have said publicly that they have yet to find any electronic problems in Toyota cars.
Daniel Smith, NHTSA's associate administrator for enforcement, told a panel of the National Academy of Sciences last month that the agency's sudden-acceleration probe had yet to find any car defects beyond those identified by the company: pedals entrapped by floor mats, and "sticky" accelerator pedals that are slow to return to idle.
"In spite our investigations, we have not actually been able yet to find a defect" in electronic throttle-control systems, Smith told the scientific panel, which is looking into potential causes of sudden acceleration.
"We're bound and determined that, if it exists, we're going to find it," he added. "But as yet, we haven't found it."
Toyota officials haven't been briefed on NHTSA's findings, but they corroborate its own tests, said Mike Michels, chief spokesman for Toyota Motor Sales. Toyota's downloads of event data recorders have found evidence of sticky pedals and pedal entrapment as well as driver error, which is characterized by no evidence of the brakes being depressed during an impact.
Some company officials say they are informally aware of the NHTSA results. But Toyota President Akio Toyoda has said the company won't blame customers for its problems as part of its public-relations response.
Toyota is still trying to repair damage to its reputation caused as much by disclosures that the company hid knowledge of safety problems with its vehicles as by the reports of sudden acceleration.
NHTSA levied a $16.4 million fine against Toyota earlier this year for failing to notify the agency in a timely manner about its sticky-accelerator issue. Toyota's handling of a rash of safety complaints involving high-profile models such as the hybrid Toyota Prius has prompted Congress to consider a far-reaching overhaul of U.S. auto-safety laws.
Last week, Toyota showed reporters the inner workings of its labs, including how it has been testing its electronic throttle-control module.
The car maker also has tested its vehicles' responses to strong electromagnetic radiation, such as the waves generated by cellphones and radio towers, which some critics have said could be causing a malfunction. The only interference engineers have encountered after bombarding cars with electromagnetic waves is static on the car radio.
U.S. Reps. Bart Stupak (D., Mich.) and Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) have been critical of Toyota's efforts to track down alternative causes of unintended acceleration. They have said Toyota has been slow to react or has been evasive. Toyota has said it is doing everything in its power to respond to both Congress and customer complaints.


You think Congress will apologize to the Toyota executives?
 

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Just because the fish aren't biting doesn't mean there are no fish in the pond.
 
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:40 PM
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Yes, this is sounding more and more like a fish story. The one that got away.
 


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