"Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
#1
"Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
Before I get on to ranting let me first say that I love the Prius. I find it an amazing technology showcase that works very very well and is very very cool. Great car, wish I had one.
Many folks out on the internet go on and on about the wonderful "full" hybrid design of the Prius. This is all fine, I agree that the Prius is nothing short of fantastic.
These same folks just can leave well enough alone, they seem to always feel the need to point out just how much better there "full" hybrids are compared to the "mild" hybrids that Honda sells. Sorry but this is where I get a little hot under the collar. Rather than bore you all with the technical details I ask you to look no farther than our database. I drive a Gen 1 Civic Hybrid with a manual transmission. Currently our database has the "mild" hybrid Gen 1 HCH at :
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
The numbers are close enough that in spite of the MT HCH1's narrow victory we can call it a tie. I'm thinking the HCH holds its own pretty darn good for a "mild" hybrid.
BTW the HCH2 is too new to be used in this discussion. The sample size is too small and there are no summer miles in the database for the HCH2. We can come back to this point in a year and see where we are.
Many folks out on the internet go on and on about the wonderful "full" hybrid design of the Prius. This is all fine, I agree that the Prius is nothing short of fantastic.
These same folks just can leave well enough alone, they seem to always feel the need to point out just how much better there "full" hybrids are compared to the "mild" hybrids that Honda sells. Sorry but this is where I get a little hot under the collar. Rather than bore you all with the technical details I ask you to look no farther than our database. I drive a Gen 1 Civic Hybrid with a manual transmission. Currently our database has the "mild" hybrid Gen 1 HCH at :
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
The numbers are close enough that in spite of the MT HCH1's narrow victory we can call it a tie. I'm thinking the HCH holds its own pretty darn good for a "mild" hybrid.
BTW the HCH2 is too new to be used in this discussion. The sample size is too small and there are no summer miles in the database for the HCH2. We can come back to this point in a year and see where we are.
#2
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
just tell them that the engine used in the prius is a joke compared to honda's
and vice versa with the hybrid system. also slam in their face that you saved a couple thousand compared to what they spent, making your fuel savings "more real". And tell them you didn't have to wait **** for your car, while they went heels over toes to get their and had to pay more than MSRP price.
oh and tell them your car corners better too haha.
and vice versa with the hybrid system. also slam in their face that you saved a couple thousand compared to what they spent, making your fuel savings "more real". And tell them you didn't have to wait **** for your car, while they went heels over toes to get their and had to pay more than MSRP price.
oh and tell them your car corners better too haha.
#3
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
Originally Posted by philmcneal
just tell them that the engine used in the prius is a joke compared to honda's
and vice versa with the hybrid system. also slam in their face that you saved a couple thousand compared to what they spent, making your fuel savings "more real". And tell them you didn't have to wait **** for your car, while they went heels over toes to get their and had to pay more than MSRP price.
oh and tell them your car corners better too haha.
and vice versa with the hybrid system. also slam in their face that you saved a couple thousand compared to what they spent, making your fuel savings "more real". And tell them you didn't have to wait **** for your car, while they went heels over toes to get their and had to pay more than MSRP price.
oh and tell them your car corners better too haha.
#4
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
ya that's what i meant as in toyota having the more suprierior hybrid system... i don't think the civic hybrid is atkinson, i'm pretty sure the 8 spark plugs and the crazy I vtec system just puts the 1.5 toyota like its some preschooler's job. then again the same can be said about honda's IMA... look at the numbers on the 1.3 Litres, almost as much torque and HP as toyota's 1.5 ... i don't think honda's engine should be atikinson otherwise its going to be too weak to pull the whole car. remember honda's electric motor is whimpy compared to the v8 toruqeyness of toyota's
At the end it all comes down to choices.
At the end it all comes down to choices.
#5
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
Originally Posted by lakedude
Currently our database has the "mild" hybrid Gen 1 HCH at :
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
The numbers are close enough that in spite of the MT HCH1's narrow victory we can call it a tie. I'm thinking the HCH holds its own pretty darn good for a "mild" hybrid.
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
The numbers are close enough that in spite of the MT HCH1's narrow victory we can call it a tie. I'm thinking the HCH holds its own pretty darn good for a "mild" hybrid.
Originally Posted by hawkGT647
06-09-2005, 11:27 AM
Prediction: Civic Hybrid will surpass Prius II
I predict that the Civic Hybrid's will soon get their fuel economy numbers up to the point where the average will beat the Prius II's in the Real Hybrid Mileage Database.
Regards,
Don Church
'05 Silver Insight 5-speed
Prediction: Civic Hybrid will surpass Prius II
I predict that the Civic Hybrid's will soon get their fuel economy numbers up to the point where the average will beat the Prius II's in the Real Hybrid Mileage Database.
Regards,
Don Church
'05 Silver Insight 5-speed
The two camps (Prius II & HCH) both did a great job at pushing and holding their FE numbers.
I can't wait to see what the '06 HCH will do. Early entries into the database look promising.
And how will Toyota upgrade the next geneneration Prius?
Regards,
#7
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
Hi Civic Duty:
___Maybe? The jury is still out although we shall see soon enough given the number of new HCH-II’s owners adding tanks over the past week …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Maybe? The jury is still out although we shall see soon enough given the number of new HCH-II’s owners adding tanks over the past week …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#9
"It's All About the ICE!"
In the Dallas area, we have a very strongly opinionated sportswriter whose mantra is:
"It's all about the quarterback!"
He means championship football teams have someone like Tom Brady, Manning, Leinart, etc....
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Back on-topic, it all comes back to how much gas was consumed. The ICE is still the primary source of propulsion in today's hybrids. The purpose of the hybrid component is:
"It's all about the quarterback!"
He means championship football teams have someone like Tom Brady, Manning, Leinart, etc....
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Back on-topic, it all comes back to how much gas was consumed. The ICE is still the primary source of propulsion in today's hybrids. The purpose of the hybrid component is:
- to allow the ICE engine to run more efficiently (i.e. not idle at intersections or slow traffic....)
- to recover wasted kinetic energy from the ICE
#10
Re: "Full" vs "Mild" hybrid, the real proof.
Originally Posted by lakedude
Currently our database has the "mild" hybrid Gen 1 HCH at :
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
48.3 mpg (US)
and the Gen 2 Prius "full" hybrid at:
48.1 mpg (US)
Ken@Japan