HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

Does anyone know if GM has a vehicle with better than the combined 31mpg of the (100% Toyota) Pontiac Vibe? It was the only automobile they had earlier this year (going by the top 19 they showcased in an ad) that got over 30mpg combined. If it still is their best, that makes the Accord Hybrid more efficient than anything they sell us (EPA ratings-wise anyway).

I've seen the AH singled out for using the hybrid system for power instead of fuel economy, yet it's rated better than everything the world's largest auto maker offers us? I thought this was an interesting way of looking at it. Has anyone seen this mentioned?

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

Not for sale in the US, of course... but they do make a small, somewhat efficient (by GM standards) car for the enlightened international market.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...tizspark_.html

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

This prompted me to look at the EPA's site quickly...
A non-rigorous quick look showed that the AH gets better combined mpg than ANY 2005 US car. The closest I saw on the list was the Dodge Neon, at 32.5 combined.

I would've thought that the Focus or Aveo/Cavalier/Sunfire would equal or beat it.
Nope.

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

Romir, this is an interesting vantage point, but ..

It does not make HAH look good; it only highlights how awful GM is.

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

...but it does make a pretty strong argument for those who want their cake (bigger cars w/ power and bells/whistles) and eat it too (efficiency, or at least less inefficiency). The car that in many ways has defined the modern "family sedan" has better numbers than even the puniest US vehicle. Not that they need more shame, but shame on Detroit.

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

GM does have a car, the four cylinder 2005 Malibu new body style that will get in high 30s on the road if driven somewhat conservatively. It is a nice car too and you can get them cheap, especially used. Also with the current sale they are cheap. The v6 is not good on gas however. Some come with mileage meter to check your stats. I have driven several of them along with Hondas doing dealer transfers.

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

Hi Romir:

___Nice post and I too had never thought of the AH in that light. I am still not a believer in its goals but being at the top in the FE department amongst EVERY domestic out there is pretty amazing! This will give the AH owners some more ammunition to fight off the naysayers in any debate.

___I thought the following would be of interest to some:

Caddy CTS (small V6) at $29,990 with the GM employee discount vs. the AH at $27,450 …

Size: 102.7 cu. ft. vs. 99 cu. ft. … AH wins.
FE: 29/37 vs. 18/27 … AH wins.
Performance: 0-60 in 6.5 vs. 7.1 … AH wins.
Interior appearance: AH wins.
Cost: Deal pricing of $27,450 vs. $29,990 (CTS w/ Auto) … AH wins.
Resale: AH wins.
Lux amenities: CTS had to win at something ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

nope. EPA is 24/35 for that. HAH still wins.

Almost any 4-cylinder car can probably get high-30s at a minimum when driven the right way- heck, Xcel gets his truck up there!

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

I thought I heard a mention of GM making the Silverado in a hybrid? I believe it was only getting 25 mpg average. Still, better than the gas powered versions.

Re: HAH has higher combined mileage than anything GM makes?
 

Hi Bar10dah:

___GM does make the Chevrolet Silverado/GM Sierra Hybrid’s w/ EPA’s of 18/21 vs. 16/20 of their non-hybrid counterparts … Pretty sad actually :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net