First full tank, only 340 miles,
#21
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Hi Andrew@vr66.com
___As Tbaleno and I both commute into and out of the Chicago area daily, the temps and winds over the past 2 weeks have been absolutely wicked for those attempting to figure out what a brand new hybrid is actually worth in the FE department. Unfortunately, our 10-day forecast does not bode well for you either with the high over the next 10 appearing today. With the Bears kicking the snot out of the Panthers, you are probably better off staying in and watching the game but if you were to do any FE testing whatsoever in our climate this time of year, right now would be the time … I would suggest pressing up your tires to at least 44 #’s all around to start as I can bet your Honda dealership saddled you with 30 - 32 # mush right off the lot Given your location, I have the feeling you are getting hammered from deep inner city driving as this is not an IMA based hybrid’s forte’ without some well placed tricks thrown at a commute like that?
___Another item not relating to your HCH-II directly … Where in the Chicago area do you live again exactly (Wrigleyville possibly?) and would you be interested in meeting Tom and I for a quick get together to do a small shakedown of your HCH-II? I can give you a short clinic on hypermiling in my non-hybrid Accord as well as your HCH-II from what NASAgineer has given me besides the rest of the techniques we use … I am sure you would like to try out Tom’s HCH-I w/ CVT for comparisons sake also? And please consider joining some our Wisconsin hybrid owning neighbors at the Madison Hybrid Group meet in late January. The MHG meets are always good for a tip or two as well as meeting and speaking with other hybrid automobile owners The January meet will include a presentation by a local Honda dealerships presentation on the HCH-II which may add knowledge that you may not have seen or understood before?
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___As Tbaleno and I both commute into and out of the Chicago area daily, the temps and winds over the past 2 weeks have been absolutely wicked for those attempting to figure out what a brand new hybrid is actually worth in the FE department. Unfortunately, our 10-day forecast does not bode well for you either with the high over the next 10 appearing today. With the Bears kicking the snot out of the Panthers, you are probably better off staying in and watching the game but if you were to do any FE testing whatsoever in our climate this time of year, right now would be the time … I would suggest pressing up your tires to at least 44 #’s all around to start as I can bet your Honda dealership saddled you with 30 - 32 # mush right off the lot Given your location, I have the feeling you are getting hammered from deep inner city driving as this is not an IMA based hybrid’s forte’ without some well placed tricks thrown at a commute like that?
___Another item not relating to your HCH-II directly … Where in the Chicago area do you live again exactly (Wrigleyville possibly?) and would you be interested in meeting Tom and I for a quick get together to do a small shakedown of your HCH-II? I can give you a short clinic on hypermiling in my non-hybrid Accord as well as your HCH-II from what NASAgineer has given me besides the rest of the techniques we use … I am sure you would like to try out Tom’s HCH-I w/ CVT for comparisons sake also? And please consider joining some our Wisconsin hybrid owning neighbors at the Madison Hybrid Group meet in late January. The MHG meets are always good for a tip or two as well as meeting and speaking with other hybrid automobile owners The January meet will include a presentation by a local Honda dealerships presentation on the HCH-II which may add knowledge that you may not have seen or understood before?
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Last edited by xcel; 11-20-2005 at 12:33 PM.
#22
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
BTW if it is any consolation EVERYONE is getting sucky MPG this time of the year where it is cold.
Those EPA=17 MPG SUVs are getting 10 MPG right now.
Those EPA=17 MPG SUVs are getting 10 MPG right now.
#24
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Originally Posted by NASAgineer
There are so many variables at play that I think empirical data is the best indicator. I plan to measure my freeway commute at various cruise control settings next week (60, 65, 70, 75, 80). I'll measure the entire commute (~35mi.) at each given speed and always in the same direction to make sure any localized effects are averaged out.
BTW, I'm just a software engineer at NASA, I'm not a rocket scientist or anything
#25
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
By the way, rather than merely measure in the same direction, a much better test is to measure in both directions on the same road. So you can drive 20 miles one way, record, turn around, reset trip meter, then drive 20 miles the other way.
#28
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
Recording round trips minimizes the effects of wind assuming it remains consistent during that time, but temperature matters. However San Jose should be pretty warm.
Let's say you drive 60 MPH with a 20 MPH head wind one way and a 20 MPH tail wind the other way. The increased drag from a 20 MPH head wind is greater than the reduced drag with a 20 MPH tail wind. So the net effect of any wind, even on a round trip, is to make your FE worse.
#29
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Originally Posted by ElanC
The increased drag from a 20 MPH head wind is greater than the reduced drag with a 20 MPH tail wind.
#30
Re: First full tank, only 340 miles,
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammer
It doesn't work that way since your speed is also increasing by the same amount. The resistance actually increases nonlinearly so after about 55 mph it increases at a greater rate than speed, lowering efficiency, but 20% is a huge overestimate. I've forgotten my basic physics but I'm sure NASA can clarify this.
D = Cf x A x r x V^2/2
Where:
D = drag
Cf = coeff of friction
A = area
r = air density
V = velocity
Note that the velocity is squared. Also, your true speed is the speedometer +/- any head winds, tail winds, cross wind vectors, etc. If you have a 20mph head wind and you are going 70mph, then your true air speed is 90mph. (maybe a pitot tube makes more sense for hybrids ). Makes a difference when you square 90 vs 70 in the formula.. I will admit that 20% is a lot but if you do the math, the drag doubles when going 90mph vs 70mph given that all other factors remain the same.