SUV's are safer than cars?
#11
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
O.J. Simpson was smart enough not to put the police on a high-speed chase in his white Ford Bronco...
#12
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
A lot of the stuff in the Owner's Manual about safety is really intended for the lawyers to use not to protect the consumers.
The video looks like a police chase gone wrong, hitting the rear of the car to make it loose control and stop works fine with a car, but with an SUV or Minivan can cause the vehicle to roll. It is not so much the driving technique, it is the high centre of gravity of the taller vehicles combined with the high speed. I don't think the driver of the SUV could have done any better.
The video looks like a police chase gone wrong, hitting the rear of the car to make it loose control and stop works fine with a car, but with an SUV or Minivan can cause the vehicle to roll. It is not so much the driving technique, it is the high centre of gravity of the taller vehicles combined with the high speed. I don't think the driver of the SUV could have done any better.
#13
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
Originally Posted by Katz6768
The video looks like a police chase gone wrong, hitting the rear of the car to make it loose control and stop works fine with a car, but with an SUV or Minivan can cause the vehicle to roll. It is not so much the driving technique, it is the high centre of gravity of the taller vehicles combined with the high speed. I don't think the driver of the SUV could have done any better.
The fact is that for some reason, people seem to have drummed in to their heads that slamming on the brakes makes you a bad driver and that you have to try and be a Hollywood stunt driver. The overwhelming majority of wrecks can be avoided or mitigated simply by slamming on the brakes, NOT by swerving! If the SUV driver had simply jammed the brake pedal to the floor, he would have been fine.
For the record, one of the more famous videos used in court is of a BMW sedan rolling over on dry pavement during a slalom test on BMW proving grounds by a BMW engineer. Everything was perfectly fine until the vehicle simply hooked a rear wheel and catapulted over. Yes, even cars can be rolled over with surprising ease. High CG vehicles are of course easier to roll, but I would NOT guarantee that if it had been a car, it wouldn't have rolled over just as easily given the same circumstances.
FWIW, at least the driver of the SUV is ok.
http://woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4940480
WEBBERVILLE -- A Grand Rapids woman is lucky to be alive after being involved in a rollover accident.
It was around 2:30 p.m. Monday when Emily Bowness, 29, was traveling east in the fast lane on I-96 near Webberville in Ingham County. A car in the middle lane swerved into Bowness' lane, as another vehicle was merging onto the highway. Bowness swerved to avoid a collision, which forced her vehicle to roll over several times, before coming to a stop in the ditch.
The whole accident was caught on the dashboard camera of an Oakland County sheriff's deputy's vehicle.
Bowness remarkably walked away from the scene. She was taken to Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, where she was treated for a broken thumb, lacerations on her head, and possibly broken ribs.
Ingham County Sheriff Gene Wriggelsworth says Bowness' seat belt saved her life.
The other driver did not stop, and now authorities want to find that person.
It was around 2:30 p.m. Monday when Emily Bowness, 29, was traveling east in the fast lane on I-96 near Webberville in Ingham County. A car in the middle lane swerved into Bowness' lane, as another vehicle was merging onto the highway. Bowness swerved to avoid a collision, which forced her vehicle to roll over several times, before coming to a stop in the ditch.
The whole accident was caught on the dashboard camera of an Oakland County sheriff's deputy's vehicle.
Bowness remarkably walked away from the scene. She was taken to Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, where she was treated for a broken thumb, lacerations on her head, and possibly broken ribs.
Ingham County Sheriff Gene Wriggelsworth says Bowness' seat belt saved her life.
The other driver did not stop, and now authorities want to find that person.
Last edited by AZCivic; 05-24-2006 at 06:19 PM.
#14
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
I might agree just slamming the breaks would be the less of evils, but not a great move either.
The best thing is to be in a defensive driver's mode and anticipate what to do if something happend that demands evasive action.
The best thing is to be in a defensive driver's mode and anticipate what to do if something happend that demands evasive action.
#15
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
Politics of lawyers aside, the higher center of gravity is exactly why drivers of SUVs/pickups/etc. need to be especially careful when swerving and especially when losing the roadway and trying to return to it.
From page 199 of FEH Owner's Manual:
A little excessively worded? Yes. Patently false? Not at all.
From page 199 of FEH Owner's Manual:
Vehicles with a higher center of gravity such as utility and four-wheel drive vehicles handle differently than vehicles with a lower center of gravity. Utility and four-wheel drive vehicles are not designed for cornering at speeds as high as passenger cars any more than low-slung sports cars are designed to perform satisfactorily under off-road conditions. Avoid sharp turns, excessive speed and abrupt maneuvers in these vehicles. Failure to drive cautiously could result in an increased risk of loss of vehicle control, vehicle rollover, personal injury and death.
Last edited by GeekGal; 05-24-2006 at 07:06 PM.
#16
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
This is a perfect example of how dangerous non-SUV drivers can be, drove that SUV off the road and just kept going, looked like a hit and run to me.
#17
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
Originally Posted by worthywads
This is a perfect example of how dangerous non-SUV drivers can be, drove that SUV off the road and just kept going, looked like a hit and run to me.
Bad drivers are bad drivers, unfortunately, put a bad driver in an SUV and you have a bad driver with a lot more momentum!
#18
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
I might agree just slamming the breaks would be the less of evils, but not a great move either.
The best thing is to be in a defensive driver's mode and anticipate what to do if something happend that demands evasive action.
The best thing is to be in a defensive driver's mode and anticipate what to do if something happend that demands evasive action.
Cars with soft suspension will nose dive a lot more than stiffly suspended cars, but Car and Driver does 70-0 mph braking on every vehicle they test. I've done maximum force braking in at least three different vehicles from > 100mph. It may seem foreign to most people, but it's really not hard to keep a vehicle that's traveling straight to remain traveling straight. Now whipping a car back and forth at 70+ mph? That's scary. In an Explorer of all things, and with swerving into the median? No thank you, sir!
In terms of risk exposure, you're many, many times better off just keeping it pointed straight and standing on the brake pedal. This is especially true for modern vehicles which have EBD and ESP to help you keep it pointed straight while braking.
#19
Who Bumped the SUV?
It's not clear who bumped the SUV.
Was it an officer on a police chase? If so, it's a textbook illustration of how not to stop a suspect.
If it was not someone in law enforcement, then hopefully they were caught and had charges filed.
This video would make an excellent buckle-up public service spot.
One criticism of SUVs is the poor rear visibility promotes a feeling of safety, which this video obviously dispells. Of course the bumped driver did not have a lot of options.
Was it an officer on a police chase? If so, it's a textbook illustration of how not to stop a suspect.
If it was not someone in law enforcement, then hopefully they were caught and had charges filed.
This video would make an excellent buckle-up public service spot.
One criticism of SUVs is the poor rear visibility promotes a feeling of safety, which this video obviously dispells. Of course the bumped driver did not have a lot of options.
#20
Re: SUV's are safer than cars?
If it was a police "precision ramming manouver" it was really stupid.
If it wasn't, it was probably a driver that tried to change lanes without turning his/her head to check the blind spot, it also seems that the driver of the car didn't signal before changing lanes.
Most people don't realize that the speed limits are set for a reason, not just to annoy us. The speed limit is also for low centre-of-gravity cars driving on a clear day and dry road conditions.
The problem is modern mini-trucks and mini-vans feel like regular automobiles and get driven by people without any truck driving skills. All it takes is a small distraction, flat tire, rain, snow, etc. and these vehicles loose control. The rest of us also pay the price.
I have owned a couple of mini-vans but I never drove them like I drive a regular car. I knew how unstable these vehicles are and how annoying and dangerous on the passing lanes with cars trying to pass you.
A mini-van or an SUV is not built to be driven like a sports car, even if it has the same size engine and power as a sports car. The problem is car manufacturers give you one message when they market them and a different one in the owners manual after you've purchased the vehicle.
If it wasn't, it was probably a driver that tried to change lanes without turning his/her head to check the blind spot, it also seems that the driver of the car didn't signal before changing lanes.
Most people don't realize that the speed limits are set for a reason, not just to annoy us. The speed limit is also for low centre-of-gravity cars driving on a clear day and dry road conditions.
The problem is modern mini-trucks and mini-vans feel like regular automobiles and get driven by people without any truck driving skills. All it takes is a small distraction, flat tire, rain, snow, etc. and these vehicles loose control. The rest of us also pay the price.
I have owned a couple of mini-vans but I never drove them like I drive a regular car. I knew how unstable these vehicles are and how annoying and dangerous on the passing lanes with cars trying to pass you.
A mini-van or an SUV is not built to be driven like a sports car, even if it has the same size engine and power as a sports car. The problem is car manufacturers give you one message when they market them and a different one in the owners manual after you've purchased the vehicle.