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Overriding hybrid navigation system
One for question for y'all. I haven't yet bought my TCH, although I'm close. I read that you can override the navigation system so that a passenger can put in an address while you are driving.
http://hybridcars.about.com/od/owner...navigation.htm I'm wondering if any of you have tried it and if it works? Benny |
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The quick answer is "It depends".
If you get the 5.1 NAV DVD (pre TSB EL012-06) then YES the override works. If you get 5.1 with the above TSB rolled in or a 6.1 DVD then NO. There are procedures to hack parts of a pre TSB 5.1 into 6.1 so the override works but you's need ownership of both DVDs to do it legally. I don't know if the same hack would get a TSB'd 5.1 to work. |
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Has anyone (of the 3 that posted to this title) done this procedure yet? Does someone know if this also eliminates the requirement to do the "volume" procedure EVERY time you re-start the car?:confused:
Man, don't they make anything easy to hack? :cry: It's be great to get in and just do your route changes or telephone stuff while driving. Heck, even the HERTZ neverlost system prompts you just once to override the safety feature before letting you do it. :D |
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You have to redo the hack each time you restart the car.
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eh, too bad.
But i guess it's better than stopping the car each time you want to use the phone features or NAV changes. For the cost and effort to get a dual layered burner, (hopefully) get discs that work and then install it all, burn it.....etc. I wish there were an easy way since I'm not too "techy" with all this new fangled stuff Thanks for the update! |
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I've been screwing around with the NAV's voice recognition system and after a slow start I've gotten pretty good with it. I find if you say the commands faster with no pause between the words it works better than 90% of the time.
That said, using the voice system I have little to no reason to use the override since the voice system works while in motion. |
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I was having a problem making a "hybrid" navigation DVD using the loading.kwi file from the 5.1 version. I think I made about 16 DVD +R DL Coasters. I tried using Nero, Ones, and a couple other burning programs. No dice. This was using my Sony DRU700A burner, and it kept giving me write errors, so I bought a Samsung DVD Burner (Re-Badged as a MadDog Writemaster) and it was able to sucesfully complete the burn process, but it always taged the DVD as a DVD +R DL and not as a DVD-ROM wich is what the Denso Navigation DVD drive reads. I tried changing the booktype to DVD-ROM, but that is how the drive was set from the factory. So back to the store it went. I then got a BenQ DW1650 (Rebadged as a CompUSA drive) since it got high ratings on cdfreaks.com, and the first burn I made was read by the Nav's drive, and works great. Now I just have to cut the power to the Nav so it will load the old 5.1 file, and I will have the 6.1 map data and the 5.1 override.
As a side note, since I was having so much trouble burning a good hybrid disk, I tried to make a direct copy, and using the Sony and MadDog drive, was never able to make one, but a coworker has a DVD duplication device (kangaroo replicator, it makes up to 5 copies from a source disk at a time) and it made a good backup copy. The burners in that machine are NEC drives, and the source drive is a LG drive. The working Nav Hybrid disk was riped using Prassi ONES in the DVD incremental - closed session with ISO 9660 + UDF with Fast Disk setting. The disk name was the date the disk was made, but if you want to use the original disk name, the 6.1 is 464210-0629 and the 5.1 is 464210-0791. The disk name does not matter, the nav does not read the disk name. I also used ImgBurn to ensure the Booktype for the drive was set to DVD-ROM, as this is the only way the car can understand the new disk. A BIG thank you to all those that have experimented to discover this workaround, and a BIG thank you to those that helped me. |
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Originally Posted by ag4ever
(Post 107819)
I was having a problem making a "hybrid" navigation DVD using the loading.kwi file from the 5.1 version. I think I made about 16 DVD +R DL Coasters. I tried using Nero, Ones, and a couple other burning programs. No dice. This was using my Sony DRU700A burner, and it kept giving me write errors, so I bought a Samsung DVD Burner (Re-Badged as a MadDog Writemaster) and it was able to sucesfully complete the burn process, but it always taged the DVD as a DVD +R DL and not as a DVD-ROM wich is what the Denso Navigation DVD drive reads. I tried changing the booktype to DVD-ROM, but that is how the drive was set from the factory. So back to the store it went. I then got a BenQ DW1650 (Rebadged as a CompUSA drive) since it got high ratings on cdfreaks.com, and the first burn I made was read by the Nav's drive, and works great. Now I just have to cut the power to the Nav so it will load the old 5.1 file, and I will have the 6.1 map data and the 5.1 override.
As a side note, since I was having so much trouble burning a good hybrid disk, I tried to make a direct copy, and using the Sony and MadDog drive, was never able to make one, but a coworker has a DVD duplication device (kangaroo replicator, it makes up to 5 copies from a source disk at a time) and it made a good backup copy. The burners in that machine are NEC drives, and the source drive is a LG drive. The working Nav Hybrid disk was riped using Prassi ONES in the DVD incremental - closed session with ISO 9660 + UDF with Fast Disk setting. The disk name was the date the disk was made, but if you want to use the original disk name, the 6.1 is 464210-0629 and the 5.1 is 464210-0791. The disk name does not matter, the nav does not read the disk name. I also used ImgBurn to ensure the Booktype for the drive was set to DVD-ROM, as this is the only way the car can understand the new disk. A BIG thank you to all those that have experimented to discover this workaround, and a BIG thank you to those that helped me. |
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Originally Posted by jagbagri
(Post 107824)
ag4ever, glad to see, you got a working copy of the hybrid dvd. It is not easy if you don't have the right equipment. I have a sony dvd writer and now thanks to you, I know why I might have had such hard time making one for myself. Enjoy..
My wife thinks I am crazy, I spent all week buying DVD burners, and returning them when they did not work. Now that I have a "good" burner, I think I will hang on to it. Unfortunatly, I spent over $50 on ruined DVDs. Cost of doing businees I guess. FYI, both Memorex and Verbatim DVDs seem to work as the media. Verbatim seem to burn at a higher speed. |
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I just pulled fuse #12 - Radio #1 which is located under the hood, and fuse #30 - Radio #2 which is located under the driver's side of the dash. I waited approximatly 3 minutes before reinstalling the fuses. Upon powering up the car in accessory mode, the nav started reloading the nav operating data. I then tested the override, and I can access the screen and activate the override. I did not drive the car to see if it actually works, but I assume it does since it has a new service screen I did not have before. I also checked the DVD data on the info page, and it still indicates is has the 6.1 DVD version.
So far so good. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! |
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Originally Posted by ag4ever
(Post 107862)
I just pulled fuse #12 - Radio #1 which is located under the hood, and fuse #30 - Radio #2 which is located under the driver's side of the dash. I waited approximatly 3 minutes before reinstalling the fuses. Upon powering up the car in accessory mode, the nav started reloading the nav operating data. I then tested the override, and I can access the screen and activate the override. I did not drive the car to see if it actually works, but I assume it does since it has a new service screen I did not have before. I also checked the DVD data on the info page, and it still indicates is has the 6.1 DVD version.
So far so good. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I have a Kentucky car with 6.1 and no access to the 5.1 DVD. Is there anywhere that anyone is aware of to get the required file from the 5.1 DVD? |
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[quote=ag4ever;107819] I then got a BenQ DW1650 (Rebadged as a CompUSA drive)
Is this the drive that finally worked? Do you happen to know if the external DVD burner is the same company/technology? http://tinyurl.com/23ellj |
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Yes that is the drive.
Just be sure that the box actually has 1650 on it. The new version of that drive is not a BenQ. BenQ was aquired by LiteOn, and the BenQ drives are now legacy "non-supported" drives. but, there is enough of a following that some people are making their own updates for it. I figured if I only used the drive to make the override disk, it would be worth it. |
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Has anyone been able to make this disc on a Mac? If so what software did you use to create it?
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For those who, like myself, did a search and thought this thread might have the override procedure activation sequence, here it is (from the other linked thread):
<snip> Do the volume screen override: Press Menu (menu screen appears) Press Volume (volume screen appears) Press upper left corner Press lower left corner Press upper left corner Press lower left corner (Service Menu will appear) Press and hold Over Ride for a few seconds |
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Originally Posted by schmidtj
(Post 107808)
I've been screwing around with the NAV's voice recognition system and after a slow start I've gotten pretty good with it. I find if you say the commands faster with no pause between the words it works better than 90% of the time.
That said, using the voice system I have little to no reason to use the override since the voice system works while in motion. I will need to start practicing. (it can be frustrating at times) (Does the lady in the Navi have a name? ie Tokyo Nav or something) |
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Originally Posted by wilsons66604
(Post 114999)
You know I think you have a point there. I've tried 5-6 DVD burns and had no luck. Wouldn't it be much better to learn how to use what Toyota intended us to use....our VOICE.
I will need to start practicing. (it can be frustrating at times) (Does the lady in the Navi have a name? ie Tokyo Nav or something) |
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Originally Posted by Geckoboy
(Post 115013)
Is there a way to enter and search for a POI Name using the voice recognition? So far I've only been able to enter an address while in motion using voice recognition.
"Show Thai restaurant" she replied with showing the Thai POIs |
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Originally Posted by wilsons66604
(Post 115017)
Today, I used voice to find my restaurant.
"Show Thai restaurant" she replied with showing the Thai POIs how about searching for the nearest target store? |
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As a note here, I only unplugged the fuse in the hood for a couple of minutes to get the DVD to reload.
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anybody been able to successfully do this using a macintosh?
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SUCCESS!! thanks so much to all of you for your savy. after three failed attempts, i finally made my hybrid nav dvd on my iMac G5 after downloading a program called dragon burn (reccomended by a co-worker) and taking advantage of the free trial version. i inserted the burned dvd into the nav, up popped the map with my current location. i tried the override, no luck. so i removed the fuse and reinserted it after a few minutes, i tried the override again, and volla.
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Originally Posted by skata
(Post 115566)
As a note here, I only unplugged the fuse in the hood for a couple of minutes to get the DVD to reload.
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I have a 2006 Prius with the latest DVD V7.1. If I burn it with the 5.1 loading.KWI will that give me the overide?
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I actually did a hardware hack, which works great. All you have to do is buy a 2.99 switch from radio shack and hook it up to the VSS wire... I did this yesterday and cleanerd it up so it sits in the compartment under the NAV unit, looks very professional. Very easy to do, the hard part is getting the NAV unit out.
Going down the road, I just hit the switch and the blanked out icons magically light up... it's very convinient. The only annoying part is that it messes up the GPS calibration a bit so it takes about 30 seconds to a minute to recalibrate itself to the correct location. Let me know if you want the tutorial I used to hook this up. |
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I have a 2006 Prius with V5.1 Gen 5 Nav DVD. Even though it's 5.1 it does not have the override menu. I use a Plextor 760A and have burned many DVD's including several DL's, almost all successfully. However I burned 5 DVD's for the NAV including one direct copy of my original disk and my Prius won't read any os them. I've used Imgburn, Alcohol and Nero. All the one's I burned with Nero verified perfectly but none will work. I don't understand what the secret is with these NAV disks. Any help would be appreciated. I hate to admit this, but I am a computer nerd and still can't figure this one out.
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Originally Posted by Flyingtux
(Post 163865)
I have a 2006 Prius with V5.1 Gen 5 Nav DVD. Even though it's 5.1 it does not have the override menu. I use a Plextor 760A and have burned many DVD's including several DL's, almost all successfully. However I burned 5 DVD's for the NAV including one direct copy of my original disk and my Prius won't read any os them. I've used Imgburn, Alcohol and Nero. All the one's I burned with Nero verified perfectly but none will work. I don't understand what the secret is with these NAV disks. Any help would be appreciated. I hate to admit this, but I am a computer nerd and still can't figure this one out.
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More importantly you must burn the copy as Booktype DVD-ROM and not Booktype DVD+R. I can only speak to Nero which lets you set the book type on Plextor drives. Other drives can be set with an external program.
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Originally Posted by schmidtj
(Post 163873)
More importantly you must burn the copy as Booktype DVD-ROM and not Booktype DVD+R. I can only speak to Nero which lets you set the book type on Plextor drives. Other drives can be set with an external program.
I had very bad luck with Nero. ImgBurn turned out to be the best for me and you get a DVD-ROM without changing any settings. (If memory serves correct.) |
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Originally Posted by mikieboyblue
(Post 163871)
My Nav only likes DVD+R DLs. If you did not use a +R that might be a factor. Not sure though. I used ImgBurn to do all of mine. Plextor 740A.
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Originally Posted by Flyingtux
(Post 163889)
I'm using Memorex +R dl's and book type set to DVD-ROM. When Nero does a verifly there are no errors. I'm stumped.
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Try using ImgBurn.
Also, I have tried the TCH's NAV disc in a Prius and the older Prius DVD drives (ones under the seat) took forever to read it and then most failed. The same disc in a TCH worked fine. I also have not had any luck getting the Lexus 7.1 disc to work in the TCH yet...although I haven't tried that hard...the DL discs just get expensive after awhile.... I have used Verbatim DVD+R DL and RiData DVD+R DL. It ends up being dependent on what your burner likes best. But you don't have that problem since you are able to burn disc. The only thing I can think of where ImgBurn might help is sometimes Nero does not do well with layer breakpoints. ImgBurn seems to come up with a decent one. You can also use it to create the original ISO so it will attempt to use the same layer breakpoint as the original disc. |
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Using Nero I did NOT do a disk to disk copy. Rather I created a Nero IMG backup file and then burned a Verbatim DVD+R DL from the IMG file BookType DVD-ROM.
This 7.1 copy also worked in a 2007 Lexus RX350 Nav. |
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Originally Posted by schmidtj
(Post 163908)
This 7.1 copy also worked in a 2007 Lexus RX350 Nav.
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There must be something unique about Prius DVd reader or my original disk that can't be copied. After pulling the battery cable I put one of the disks in I made including a direct copy and they all say loading and they all load. Unfortunatly after they load it says "unable to read data, check if map disk is correct". I bought a 7.1 gen 5 disk off Ebay put it in and it says "loading do not turn off power". However it never loads. It goes from loading to vertical lines then back to loading but the loading line never gets past about an 1/8 of and inch. I have no idea what's going on.
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Originally Posted by Flyingtux
(Post 165068)
There must be something unique about Prius DVd reader or my original disk that can't be copied. After pulling the battery cable I put one of the disks in I made including a direct copy and they all say loading and they all load. Unfortunatly after they load it says "unable to read data, check if map disk is correct". I bought a 7.1 gen 5 disk off Ebay put it in and it says "loading do not turn off power". However it never loads. It goes from loading to vertical lines then back to loading but the loading line never gets past about an 1/8 of and inch. I have no idea what's going on.
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Originally Posted by schmidtj
(Post 165105)
I didn't think the Prius had the Hi-Res NAV that the Camry/Lexus have. If that's a Camry DVD you have that might be the issue?
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Originally Posted by mikieboyblue
(Post 165113)
Yes, that is true last I knew but that might have changed with the 2005+. I know my buddy who has a 2004 Prius could not get the Camry DVD to work. It would read forever and then fail.
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Originally Posted by Flyingtux
(Post 165142)
My original disk is a U40 464210-0701 Ver. 5.1 and even direct verified copy of it won't work. There my be some kind of security on the disk that doesn't copy. The Ebay disk loads forever then fails. The disks I made load, but then say " Unable to read data, check if map disk is correct". Any ideas?
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