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Old 09-07-2007, 09:03 AM
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Does anyone know how the new "Flex Fuel" ethanol gas would work with the civic hybrid? They will soon have it at one gas station that I know of in Brentwood -- at a progressive Biodiesel gas station. I believe that this specific flex fuel gas only works with certain cars that have modified engines for it? is that accurate?
but...considering that I did just convert my diesel bus to run on recycled vegetable oil (only took a half day), i wonder if it is possible/easy to modify the civic to accept this type of fuel?
I also read that a hybrid could potentially get even better MPG with this fuel (although I'm not certain of that by any means).

any info would be appreciated!
 
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:11 AM
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The manual specifically says the Civic can "operate on oxygenated gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol by volume and up to 15% MTBE by volume". But when people talk about "ethanol" they usually mean E85, which is 85% ethanol. So no, sorry! Of course, someone did do an experiment using E85 in a non-flex fuel vehicle and it turned out OK.
 
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:35 AM
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If you cover the top of your car with highly efficient solar cells you will get at MOST 2-400 watts in perfect conditions. The drag created by your solar cells will probably negate the benefits of the low power output unless you use flexible cells which are much less efficient to begin with.


Controllers that boost up the output of a solar cell to charge a battery are very common. I don't know what method the computer uses to calculate the state of charge of the battery pack though, so I don't know if you could just boost up the voltage from the cells and pump energy into the battery (which would be the easiest method)

In any case, if you DO try to hook up something to the HV pack, obviously be very careful. DC is much more dangerous than AC. Don't run any high voltage wires. If you have something that boosts up the low voltage to HV or HV to LV, put it right next to existing HV wires and only run your low-voltage wires.

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Old 04-23-2017, 06:19 AM
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The benefit of a solar cell on a civic (IMA and 12VDC) is not economy, it is extended life of the battery itself. An intergraded solar charging system would be beneficial, but would not charge the batteries while the car is in use. I have not gotten into the charging management controller design yet but initial research is promising. as far as making them external to the vehicle, I do not have the inclination to permentantly mount them to the car(due to curvature of external structure. I intend to have the panels sit atop a car cover and have a quick disconnect. I am about to replace my 06' Civic's IMA battery and want to integrate this design during the swap.

To provide enough solar energy to offset the A/C could be accomplished with 3 panels, but placement will be challenging. Thankfully only minor modification would be needed to power the 12V systems with solar. Even the Prius modifications could be modified to adapt to the 12V side.
 
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:13 AM
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Your belief that this will in some way extend the life of the IMA battery is incorrect. Frequent charging to > 80% SoC will accelerate cycle wear on the battery, induce capacity loss due to voltage depression, demonstrate progressive deteriorated performance and eventually increase the likelihood of single cell failure under heavy assist. Period. This is how this chemistry works.

Your proposed activity will void the warranty of any pack you buy as you are conducting "misuse" and "abuse" of the product.

You would be much better served by incorporating a preventative maintenance charge @ 350mA for 8-12 hours every 3-6 months.

I'm not sure what you're talking about "offsetting the A/C". Do you have any idea how much power the A/C uses? The total combined mechanical/electric power use is about 2kW. When it's in all-electric mode when maintaining a set-temp, it's around 500-800W. Not sure how you'll offset that with solar.

A simple solar IMA charging system is pretty easy. You need:

150W worth of solar panels.
100W 12VDC/AC inverter
2X LPC-35-350 LED PSU
2X 1A/400V diodes
PWM fan controller capable of limiting the blower to about 25W draw (it can pull 100W pretty easy at max blast).

Good luck,

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Old 04-23-2017, 01:21 PM
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Thank you S Keith that information is of great help. I forgot about the constant recharging damaging the battery type. I am a new hybrid owner and am trying to learn all I can about them. the solar cells themselves would not directly offset the A/C power but a secondary battery with cells charging it could offset the total usage (yes I understand adding weight also lowers fuel efficiency). The 12V battery solar charging setup listed earlier in the thread I have already set up to maintain the starter battery.
 
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:31 PM
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Anything that can be done to help the 12V battery is beneficial. Honda consistently keeps the battery at a lower state of charge, and it shortens battery life.

I upgraded the 151R to a 51R with about 40% more capacity. I had to discard the shrouds, but it seemed to work much better.
 
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Old 04-25-2017, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by S Keith View Post
Frequent charging to > 80% SoC will accelerate cycle wear on the battery, induce capacity loss due to voltage depression, demonstrate progressive deteriorated performance and eventually increase the likelihood of single cell failure under heavy assist.
Please define "frequent". Is once a day "frequent"?

My daily commute is 7 miles, and it is ~400 ft higher at one end than the other. The IMA controller isn't bright about how it handles this so on arrival at work (the uphill direction) the IMA is usually below 50% SOC, and on arrival at home it is usually near 100% SOC. Every day I go to work the HCHI cycles between those extremes.

I have not had great luck with IMA battery longevity and had always assumed it was mostly related to the brutal heat we have here in the summer. It had not crossed my mind that long downhill runs, especially at a very gentle slope, might also be a problem.
 
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:49 PM
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Yes. Once a day is frequent.


No. A full gauge does not indicate 100% SoC but typically something around or just about 80%, so the context in which that statement was made does not apply to you.


Yes. Daily full or near-full usable range cycling accelerates battery wear.


Yes. Heat is the worst of all.


Yes. You have the worst of both worlds (heat and hills).
 
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