GM unveils new hybrid models for 2008 and announces plan to develop plug-in hybrid
 

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You know this means we're going to need a few 'enhancements' to GreenHybrid.com. For example, more database entries and forums. Also, the "Introduction" will need someway we can send a "Welcome" message to the hords of new hybrid owners who will find their way here. <GRINS>

Was there any mention of adding a simple "MPG" gauge to the hybrids too??

Bob Wilson

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Protester commends GM's Waggoner.
This is cool: http://photos.reuters.com/tv/videoCh...66f590b1d341ef

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That's pretty funny. But honestly, did anyone EXPECT him to take the bait?

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I am glad that GM is upgrading the VUE to 2mode. A SUV is just too big of a vehicle to really benefit from BAS. Now, sticking BAS into an Aevo or an Aura wouldn't be a bad idea, however.

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Unfortunately, the CEO wouldn't sign a pledge to be the leader in FE by 2010.

You can see the video here:
http://ran.org/

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If they can't include an MPG gage in the instrument cluster, they are 'faking it.'

I'll be sending 'letters to the editor' of the major car publications and 'editorial' writers pointing out this fundamental flaw. What a brain-dead, obvious screw-up.

Bob Wilson

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I have a Saturn Vue, FWD, 5-speed manual. The sticker says mileage of 29 on the highway, but, of course, I get less. Still, I find that I get around 25 mpg overall, which is impressive (as it's city and highway).

The Vue hybrid is also a FWD only vehicle (which is a bit of a strike as no 4WD version is available). Owners on Saturn forums, so far, are not impressed. The vehicle bounces from 21-27 mpg. In other words, the hybrid is very similar to the 5-speed manual. There doesn't seem to be any real difference, other than price.

Granted, the Vue hybrid is far less expensive than the FEH or especially the Toyota Highlander hybrid, but FEH owners are reporting mpg in the 30's, not 20's. There is an obvious difference between the FEH and normal Escape in terms of mileage, whereas, from what I've read of Saturn owners (and being one myself), this is not true for the Vue.

Therefore, if GM really wants to compete, they have to do a LOT better job on their hybrids than what they are doing now. To get, at best, 2-3 mpg more than the non-hybrid version (and even that's not guaranteed), will not have buyers rushing for those vehicles.

Perhaps their plug-ins will be better, but I'm not sure how buyers will respond there either. I think the huge advantage of Prius or FEH or Highlander Hybrid and even the Vue hybrid, is that they do NOT have to be plugged in. People can treat them just like their normal cars (relatively speaking). If someone forgets to plug in their car at night, will they be unable to get to work in the morning? I know this will be a concern with buyers.

In other words, GM is not only late to the "hybrid game", but they have work to do.

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doctoru2, if you don't plug-in a plug-in hybrid, it behaves just like an ordinary non-plug hybrid (like a Prius). So you will still be able to get to work even if you never plug-in, it will just cost more dollars and CO2.

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I own the 2007 Vue Green Line Hybrid. The Vue did not have a CPU already integrated into the car to show real time mileage. GM chose not to upgrade the vehicle. The 2008 model, which is a completely new entity will have this I'm sure and as a two-mode Hybrid should perform well. I'm buying a ScanGauge to add onto my car to get real time data on mileage performance. I'm glad to see GM moving down the path to better mileage and newer technology.