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2008 FEH, MMH Info?
When will info be realeased for the 2008 FEH and MMH? Pictures, changes?
I was planning on waiting until spring to get a 2008 MMH, hoping they improved the navigation system and to keep from losing a lot of value by having the model replaced so soon after purchase. But, based on the spy shots of the 2008 Escape and the following picture of what might be a 2008 Mariner (though it states its a 2007), my wife and I don't really like the front of the 2008 models. If they are planning to continue with this approach, I would like to get a 2007 before winter comes along. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3.../mercury.0.jpg http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.co....html#comments |
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Sounds like you talked yourself into a 2007 model.... You'll be happy with either one...
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Looks to me like someone slapped a Mercury badge on a Jeep Liberty.
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I kinda thought the same thing.
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Originally Posted by wvujeb
When will info be realeased for the 2008 FEH and MMH? Pictures, changes?
Officially, the 2008 FE/MM info is suppose to be announced at the NY Auto Show next April. |
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Mercury seems to be behind on their litearture. I noticed that the website ony has 2006 information, but I cant even find an 06 MMH any where near me. I have found a few 07's that have been on the lot for about a month.
Man, that seems kinda late. They are supposed to start selling them in the spring and they aren't announing anything until April? Jeez. |
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Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I just found out last night that the 2008 MM and MMH will be debuted at the Miami Auto Show in October. I'm assuming this is the South Florida International Auto Show held in Miami Oct. 6 - 15.
Mariner also continues to be a top Mercury seller among Latino buyers. The all-new 2008 version of this popular premium SUV will make its world premiere at the 2006 Miami Auto Show. |
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The article you quote, is back from May. Plans, may or may not have changed since then, depending on just how on-schedule the vehicles are. There might also be a difference between showing off a show-car custom-made prototype (in Miami) vs. an actual pre-production model (in NY).
Edmunds reports .. "Although it doesn't appear to be a full redesign, the 2008 Escape will update its front-end styling to match the 2007 Ford Expedition. Larger headlights and a three-bar grille are the biggest changes, although the lower fascia and front wheel arches will be revised as well. Expect a few interior upgrades to keep the Escape fresh in the face of newer rivals like the Toyota RAV4 and upcoming Honda CR-V. Look for the official debut of the 2008 Ford Escape at the New York auto show in April." |
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I have read that at Edmunds Inside Line, but I have read those exact statements in other articles at Edmunds that were dated in March of this year, so the accuracy of those statements could be in question as well. The statement about the auto show in October is directly from Ford. I would think that with only a couple months before production begins, that the model shown in October should be pretty close to the actual model being released. I am hoping it will be able to make my decision of whether to get an '07 or wait for the '08.
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I couldn't remember if this article was mentioned or not, but I am posting it anyway.
"Sneak Peek: 2008 Ford Escape. Not long after the arrival this fall of the 2007 Edge, Ford dealers will also get a new edition of the Escape, the brand's long-running crossover utility vehicle. Due next spring, the new Escape may be marketed as an early 2008 model, along with a freshened version of its companion, the Mercury Mariner. Ford is upgrading the cabin with better-quality materials and more features. Paul Lienert " I found this at: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...604190322/1149 this article also has a date of Wednesday, April 19, 2006 another way to get to this article is through: http://www.fordnewsonline.com/?p=176 I also found more "spy" pictures of a disguised red 2008 Escape. This sight also has a picture of what we might also expect the interior to look like. http://autospies.com/news/AUTO-SPIES...d-Escape-8109/ The date on this website is 08/31/06. Hope this helps someone... Rich |
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Here is an article dated Sept. 28 that lists some of the cars that will be at the Miami Auto Show. The new Mariner is on the list.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4441727&EDATE= I also found a Miami-based article written in Spanish that details the new ad campaign for the 2008 Mariner and the different advertising that they are going to be doing in Miami. In it was listed the 2008 Mariner webage. www.drivezen.com You can sign up to be emailed updates. It currently states that it will be 2 days until it is unveilded. |
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Originally Posted by wvujeb
In it was listed the 2008 Mariner webage. www.drivezen.com You can sign up to be emailed updates. It currently states that it will be 2 days until it is unveilded.
The 2008 Mariner is "Zen"? Discover harmony, discover fulfillment, discover tranquility, doesn't quite sound like an SUV to me. :D BTW, I find is kind-of humerus that the 2008 Mariner website will be operational in two days, when the regular Mercury website still is "stuck" on 2006. ;) |
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I think the difference in Mariner/Escape sales has more to do with raw numbers. the only numbers I've seen show they've sold an incredibly tiny amount of Mariners.... a 27% increase must be something like in the 10's per month... I'm exaggerating but not by much.
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Originally Posted by TeeSter
the only numbers I've seen show they've sold an incredibly tiny amount of Mariners.... a 27% increase must be something like in the 10's per month... I'm exaggerating but not by much.
However, Mercury is certainly on an advertising blitz focusing on the Mariner. I don't remember the last time I saw an Escape-only commercial on TV. |
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Another reason the Mariner is specifically being mentioned is that Mercury has high sales figures in the latin community. The Milan is the most popular sedan and sales figures are high for the Mariner in the latin community. I think that is the reason for the push for Mercury and the reason they are debuting it in Miami.
Here is the google translation to the spanish site and the original side: http://translate.google.com/translat...l%3Den%26lr%3D http://www.boomonline.com/news_pr.php?nid=7158 |
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Here some more info...
"A host of other features elevate the level of sophistication inside Mariner. A new floor-mounted shifter, for example, let engineers remove the emergency brake handle from the center console, freeing up room between the seats; the emergency brake is now engaged with a floor-mounted pedal and released with a handle on the dashboard. " (I am not sure that making the emergency brake an old fashion foot pedal, is an improvement) "Mariner Hybrid comes with a 2.3-liter DOHC 16-valve Atkinson cycle four-cylinder engine and a permanent magnet AC synchronous motor. The gasoline engine produces 133 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 124 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,250 rpm. The electric motor produces 70 kw @ 5,000 rpm and 330V maximum voltage. The net result is 155 horsepower with 0-60 times comparable to a 200 horsepower V6 engine and a boost in city-driving fuel economy of nearly 75 percent. A smooth-shifting, electronically controlled Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) is the only available transmission on the hybrid model." (That seems the same) "For 2008, Mariner Hybrid engineers made revisions to software in the control system to improve transparency, or the transition between gasoline and electric operation. The transition from all-electric to gasoline power to a combination of the two is now even more seamless and virtually imperceptible to the driver. Also, the four-wheel-disc regenerative brakes have also been retuned to provide better feel. With the 2008 model year, Mariner Hybrid will be available for the first time with a choice of front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive. Previously, the Mariner Hybrid was offered only as a four-wheel-drive model." (Ah, a two wheel drive hybrid) http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_03_450.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_04_450.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_06_450.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_08_450.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_09_450.jpg |
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that is one ugly center console!
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They also didn't add any gauges. :(
So, I assume on the hybrid, we still get just fuel and charge. |
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Hopefully the website will unveil tomorrow with some more info and pics. I don't like changes to the interior at all. I might be able to put up with the guages if the center console looks better with a navigation unit. It looks like I might be shopping for an '07 next weekend.
There appears to be an audio axiliary jack at the very bottom of the console. I'm glad that they at least added that. |
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Frankly alot of the Ford interiors are ugly these days. I had a Fusion as a loaner and WOW... UUUUUUUUUUGLY console in the middle...
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Originally Posted by wvujeb
There appears to be an audio axiliary jack at the very bottom of the console. I'm glad that they at least added that.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...ner_10_450.jpg |
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Originally Posted by TeeSter
Frankly alot of the Ford interiors are ugly these days. I had a Fusion as a loaner and WOW... UUUUUUUUUUGLY console in the middle...
I agree. It seems that the CEO got his wish. The designers are making designs which are ugly. ;) |
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I don't like manufactures who use integrated radio systems as opposed to ones that can be swapped out with aftermarket single, 1.5, or double DIN units. If you don't like the radio in this vehicle you are SOL. I'd like to see what the Hybrid/Nav unit looks like in the console.
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What's the deal with the center console?!? I guess I'm glad I didnt wait for the 08.
However, I do like (and used to) the foot emergency brakes...but that's minor. Improvement on transition between Edrive and ICE! Not that the current 06-07 isnt already pretty smooth IMO, that would be great...perhaps at a higher EV mph as well? 2WD MMH...not bad...I think that's a smart move. What?!? No Plug-in receptacle? ;) |
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Originally Posted by occ
However, I do like (and used to) the foot emergency brakes...but that's minor.
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I've never had that happen Walt but thats funny. :D
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www.drivezen.com is active. It has some more details and the colors available.
The navigation system will be dvd-based and consist of a 6 1/2" touchscreen. They definitely did that right. The more that I read about the features, the more I think I might actually wait and get one of these. I'll have to think about it for a bit. The site has a list of tour dates but it only goes until the end of the year right now. |
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Wonder if the '08 will have stability control?
Control of regenerative braking during a yaw stability control event The present invention is a method and system to control regenerative braking during the operation of a yaw stability control system. The method and system use feedback control algorithms to monitor and dynamically modify regenerative and non-regenerative braking. The controller can use a simple proportional-integral-derivative feedback controller. A vehicle yaw stability control system can determine if a vehicle is experiencing an oversteer or understeer condition. The controller compares actual brake balance to a desired brake balance. The controller determines if the front axle wheels are overbraked relative to the rear axle wheels or if the rear axle wheels are overbraked relative to the front axle wheels as compared to the desired brake balance. The controller can adjust regenerative braking and non-regenerative braking levels according to the determinations. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7093912.html GaryG |
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There is a ton of info supplied here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/06/2...iner-revealed/ AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® Enhances Mariner's Resistance to Rolling Over Every non-hybrid 2008 Mariner comes standard with Advance Trac ® with RSC ®, a Ford Motor Company-exclusive roll stability control and active safety system not offered by any other manufacturer. This active stability enhancement system offers a significant difference when compared to typical electronic stability control systems. While typical systems are designed to control yaw or spinout only, Ford Motor Company's AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® goes one important step further: it can enhance the vehicle's resistance to rolling over. Most systems use one gyroscopic yaw-rate sensor as they work to control yaw. AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® uses a second gyroscopic roll-rate sensor to determine the vehicle's body roll angle and roll rate. If this roll-rate sensor detects a significant roll angle, the system applies additional countermeasures – such as applying brakes to one or more wheels or reducing engine power – to enhance vehicle rollover resistance. AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® is an integrated system of four major components that include: Anti-lock Brake System (ABS): ABS regulates brake pressure to help prevent wheel lockup when trying to stop the vehicle. Traction Control: When the traction control system detects a loss of adhesion between the wheels and the road surface, a computer quickly responds by reducing engine power when necessary and selectively applying brake force to the slipping wheel while transferring power to the opposite wheel. Yaw Control: When understeer (which leads to "pushing" wide in a turn) or oversteer (which leads to the rear-end losing grip and coming around, or "fishtailing") is detected, the system selectively applies individual brakes and modifies engine power to maximize control. Vehicle Roll-motion Sensor: The Ford-exclusive gyroscopic roll-rate sensor helps monitor vehicle roll motion approximately 150 times per second. If it detects a significant roll angle, it automatically engages AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® to help keep all four wheels safely on the ground. AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ®is automatically engaged every time the vehicle is started. A switch lets drivers turn the traction control system and AdvanceTrac ® off when they may want the wheels to spin freely to help the tires "dig" for traction, such as during low-speed off-road driving or when traveling through deep snow or mud. Ford is the first automaker to develop AdvanceTrac ® with RSC ® technology and has more than 80 patents and patent applications pending worldwide for the system. Ford Motor Company is making the technology available to other companies and automakers through licensing agreements. |
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Hi Tim
It looks like it will be standard on the non-hybrid MM, but now we know they have the patent on the system for Hybrid regen. The big question is, are they ready to offer it standard or optional on the FEH & MMH. Ford needs to go to a lithium ion battery ASAP and they may need a big adjustment in their pricing. Things like adding stability control just adds to the bottom loss of the FEH & MMH IMO. GaryG |
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Originally Posted by Tim K
that is one ugly center console!
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Originally Posted by GaryG
Ford needs to go to a lithium ion battery ASAP and they may need a big adjustment in their pricing. Things like adding stability control just adds to the bottom loss of the FEH & MMH IMO.
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Originally Posted by Tim K
One thing I wonder about is whether it should make a difference. I guess what I am saying is, did NOT having stability control hurt their sales enough in the first place?
The hybrids not getting stability control really surprises me. Just a little while ago, Ford was bragging that all their SUV's will have their Advance Trac with RSC, when its added to the FE/MM in 2008. Back then, there was no mention that the hybrid's would be excluded. I don't know if they were just being "inaccurate", or if some technical reason has since surfaced, with integrating stability control into the hybrid system. Just out of curiosity, what does the current model's ABS system do, when the wheels start to lock up and slide when using the generator, and not the pads, while braking? Does ABS start to "pulse" (or pump) the generator on and off ??? Also, does the current MMH not have traction control at all? My MMH owner's manual mentions "traction control (if equipped)" which implies that some MMH's might have traction control, no?
Originally Posted by Tim K
I'm not sure that Ford hasn't been shooting themselves in the foot by leaving out alot of features that other vehicles have....like traction control, dual power seats, standard side airbags, auto climate control, etc. While all those things add to the cost...I'd think it is better to sell 25% more vehicles at a lower profit margin.
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Originally Posted by WaltPA
The hybrids not getting stability control really surprises me. Just a little while ago, Ford was bragging that all their SUV's will have their Advance Trac with RSC, when its added to the FE/MM in 2008. Back then, there was no mention that the hybrid's would be excluded. I don't know if they were just being "inaccurate", or if some technical reason has since surfaced, with integrating stability control into the hybrid system.
Just out of curiosity, what does the current model's ABS system do, when the wheels start to lock up and slide when using the generator, and not the pads, while braking? Does ABS start to "pulse" (or pump) the generator on and off ??? Regarding stability control and other safety systems, I agree that Ford should take the stand that Volvo took years ago. Right now my daughter is waiting for her settlement from Allstate to replace her totaled Ranger. This is twice air bags saved her life in less than 3 years. When I orderred my '05 FEH, of course I got the side curtain air bags. We are looking at the '07 Civic EX and HCH for mileage and safety, which is standard equipment on them. Safety should never be an option if it can be provided. After all, they would be smart in having someone be able to be a repeat customer. GaryG |
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2008 Hybrid Premium Package: Energy Flow/Navigation system; heated Premium leather seating surfaces; heated exterior side mirrors; Reverse Sensing System; cargo area retractable cover; roof rack crossbars, includes Leather trim package. |
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Originally Posted by WaltPA
So, the roof rack crossbars will only be "gone" on the 2007 hybrid models. :cry:
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Originally Posted by TeeSter
Can't you just go order a pair? They shouldn't be that expensive
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The printed info for the 2007 says that the cross bars are included, they just are not included in reality. So who knows with the 2008. And there is that disclaimer in the printed info that allows them to say this kind of stuff.
I do kind of agree with Fords strategy with this - most cross bars are not actually used anyhow and they do hurt mpg - so it doesnt really make a lot of sense to go to great lengths to make the vehicle fuel efficient and then throw some of that away by making the crossbars standard. The money is better spent on a Thule or yakima crossbar for someone who really needs to carry stuff on the roof. Tim |
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Though, if the cross bars are indeed back again on the MMH for '08, then it would follow that Ford is admitting their strategy was flawed. That there really isn't a measurable difference in MPG with and without the cross bars.
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"The Mariner Hybrid has also been upgraded with new software to improve the performance of its full-hybrid drive system."
I wonder if existing MMH owners could get the new software too? However, I am sure that Mercury has no method for distributing software update. Hay, they don't even have a method for Nav disk updates. |
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