Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
#11
07-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Pirates, all of them. Did you confront them with their own lack of knowledge when they were telling you that they had to use that "back flush" machine?
Several problems with that - You NEVER flush a system backwards, it will just blow everything FROM the filter gallery back into the rest of the transmission. BAD IDEA. Second... only 12l? Maybe the CVT is smaller than a normal transmission, but a normal unit will need about 18-20l for a full replacement - And there isn't any "special" connection they use, they are supposed to just unhook the cooler lines from the front at the radiator and let it push itself clear of the old fluid, while fresh drains in. But that can sometimes use MORE fluid than a dry-change. BTW: A normal drop-the-pan-in-the-driveway fluid and filter change is easy for the weekend mechanic, and you won't drain all the fluid from the rest of the system... That is why a normal trans change is only 5-6l of juice. And even if you use the machine... You STILL need to drop the pan and change the filter, losing another 5-6l of fluid!
Several problems with that - You NEVER flush a system backwards, it will just blow everything FROM the filter gallery back into the rest of the transmission. BAD IDEA. Second... only 12l? Maybe the CVT is smaller than a normal transmission, but a normal unit will need about 18-20l for a full replacement - And there isn't any "special" connection they use, they are supposed to just unhook the cooler lines from the front at the radiator and let it push itself clear of the old fluid, while fresh drains in. But that can sometimes use MORE fluid than a dry-change. BTW: A normal drop-the-pan-in-the-driveway fluid and filter change is easy for the weekend mechanic, and you won't drain all the fluid from the rest of the system... That is why a normal trans change is only 5-6l of juice. And even if you use the machine... You STILL need to drop the pan and change the filter, losing another 5-6l of fluid!
Last edited by Geordi; 07-02-2010 at 06:48 AM. Reason: Oops - edited wrong post!
#12
07-02-2010, 05:42 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Pirates, all of them. Did you confront them with their own lack of knowledge when they were telling you that they had to use that "back flush" machine?
Several problems with that - You NEVER flush a system backwards, it will just blow everything FROM the filter gallery back into the rest of the transmission. BAD IDEA. Second... only 12l? Maybe the CVT is smaller than a normal transmission, but a normal unit will need about 18-20l for a full replacement - And there isn't any "special" connection they use, they are supposed to just unhook the cooler lines from the front at the radiator and let it push itself clear of the old fluid, while fresh drains in. But that can sometimes use MORE fluid than a dry-change. BTW: A normal drop-the-pan-in-the-driveway fluid and filter change is easy for the weekend mechanic, and you won't drain all the fluid from the rest of the system... That is why a normal trans change is only 5-6l of juice. And even if you use the machine... You STILL need to drop the pan and change the filter, losing another 5-6l of fluid!
Several problems with that - You NEVER flush a system backwards, it will just blow everything FROM the filter gallery back into the rest of the transmission. BAD IDEA. Second... only 12l? Maybe the CVT is smaller than a normal transmission, but a normal unit will need about 18-20l for a full replacement - And there isn't any "special" connection they use, they are supposed to just unhook the cooler lines from the front at the radiator and let it push itself clear of the old fluid, while fresh drains in. But that can sometimes use MORE fluid than a dry-change. BTW: A normal drop-the-pan-in-the-driveway fluid and filter change is easy for the weekend mechanic, and you won't drain all the fluid from the rest of the system... That is why a normal trans change is only 5-6l of juice. And even if you use the machine... You STILL need to drop the pan and change the filter, losing another 5-6l of fluid!
Last edited by peelman; 07-02-2010 at 08:01 AM. Reason: Doh... got my vehicles mixed up
#13
07-02-2010, 06:44 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Peelman - You mean that there is an actual transmission drain plug on the FEH??? (I haven't looked yet, obviously) This is amazing if true... I mean, how can we expect the auto manufacturers to make any money if they have started including that drain plug on every vehicle. It costs 5 whole cents to implement! </sarcasm_at_GM's_stupidity_back_in_the_day>
Its about time the US manufacturers figured out what the Euro and Asian car makers have known for years. Draining a pan with a plug is MUCH easier and better for the environment than not having a plug.
One clarification tho on your post - You said you change the trans twice between oil changes? How often are you changing the trans fluid? It is good for at least 3-4 oil change intervals in most cases, 50k miles is a safe number unless there is a leak or some other big event on the trans. Changing it much more often than that is just wasting money for no benefit.
Its about time the US manufacturers figured out what the Euro and Asian car makers have known for years. Draining a pan with a plug is MUCH easier and better for the environment than not having a plug.
One clarification tho on your post - You said you change the trans twice between oil changes? How often are you changing the trans fluid? It is good for at least 3-4 oil change intervals in most cases, 50k miles is a safe number unless there is a leak or some other big event on the trans. Changing it much more often than that is just wasting money for no benefit.
Last edited by Geordi; 07-02-2010 at 06:48 AM.
#14
07-02-2010, 07:58 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Peelman - You mean that there is an actual transmission drain plug on the FEH??? (I haven't looked yet, obviously) This is amazing if true... I mean, how can we expect the auto manufacturers to make any money if they have started including that drain plug on every vehicle. It costs 5 whole cents to implement! </sarcasm_at_GM's_stupidity_back_in_the_day>
Its about time the US manufacturers figured out what the Euro and Asian car makers have known for years. Draining a pan with a plug is MUCH easier and better for the environment than not having a plug.
One clarification tho on your post - You said you change the trans twice between oil changes? How often are you changing the trans fluid? It is good for at least 3-4 oil change intervals in most cases, 50k miles is a safe number unless there is a leak or some other big event on the trans. Changing it much more often than that is just wasting money for no benefit.
Its about time the US manufacturers figured out what the Euro and Asian car makers have known for years. Draining a pan with a plug is MUCH easier and better for the environment than not having a plug.
One clarification tho on your post - You said you change the trans twice between oil changes? How often are you changing the trans fluid? It is good for at least 3-4 oil change intervals in most cases, 50k miles is a safe number unless there is a leak or some other big event on the trans. Changing it much more often than that is just wasting money for no benefit.
that was my Altima that I changed 2Xs. FEH change once.
#15
07-02-2010, 09:02 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Workshop manual section 307-01B-4 " Transmission fluid drain and fill". Nothing wrong with drain and refills. Use Mercon XT-2-QDX fluid and pipe sealant for the drain and fill plugs. Ford recommended the service so I did it myself to save a few $$. Always follow shop procedures and fluid types and capacities, if you don't your pretty much a dumb *** for not doing so. If your not sure have it serviced.
The safest and easy way it to drain and refill.
The safest and easy way it to drain and refill.
GaryG
#16
07-02-2010, 09:24 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
My opening post I mentioned that this is what Ford service recommended. Your reply that I posted to in regards to drain and fill is from the actual Ford workshop manual with the page location. I can see that your very knowledgeable, and I can appreciate the assistance you offer, but this is a decision I decided myself. Thanks for your replies and I hope I can continue to receive your insight in the future.
#17
07-02-2010, 11:55 AM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
My opening post I mentioned that this is what Ford service recommended. Your reply that I posted to in regards to drain and fill is from the actual Ford workshop manual with the page location. I can see that your very knowledgeable, and I can appreciate the assistance you offer, but this is a decision I decided myself. Thanks for your replies and I hope I can continue to receive your insight in the future.
#18
07-02-2010, 01:01 PM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
From the '09 FEH Workshop Manual, Drain and refill procedure: Attachment 1476
Last edited by peelman; 07-02-2010 at 01:30 PM.
#19
07-02-2010, 01:36 PM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
My opening post I mentioned that this is what Ford service recommended. Your reply that I posted to in regards to drain and fill is from the actual Ford workshop manual with the page location. I can see that your very knowledgeable, and I can appreciate the assistance you offer, but this is a decision I decided myself. Thanks for your replies and I hope I can continue to receive your insight in the future.
"He reminded listeners that Ford's older Mercon spec has been replaced with Mercon V, and any remaining Mercon licenses will expire by June 30. Current and older models that recommend Mercon should be serviced with licensed Mercon V products now."
Mercon LV is something else -- a forward-looking fluid designed to deliver key performance benefits for 2008 models and beyond, he said. It is intended to coexist with Mercon V going forward, and the two are not interchangeable.
"Mercon LV, Ved explained last week in an interview with Lube Report, offers stable frictional performance, potential fuel economy benefits, improved anti-shudder performance and anti-foaming/aeration performance, and greater oxidation stability in step-type transmissions.
Licensing for Mercon LV -- the LV stands for "low viscosity," not 55 -- begins July 1, and the fluid will be used as factory fill for 2008 models such as the Ford Focus when they roll off the assembly line this year. Ford wants it ready for the service-fill market at the same time."
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_artic....cfm?x=b11,0,w
This article is old and our eCVT is not the standard transmission. It has no bands, belts, converters, or clutches except for the one-way clutch. If I was ever going to change my ATF in my '05 FEH, I would research to see if Ford has since allowed the use of Mercon LV in it and use that.
GaryG
#20
07-02-2010, 02:14 PM
Re: Completed 100,000km service 05 FEH
Don't VOID YOUR WARRANTY!
"Automatic transmission fluids have specific viscosities, friction coefficients, and additives. ATFs are engineered to work with the design of specific automatic transmissions. They are not all the same. Moreover, if your vehicle is still under warranty, using a fluid that is not approved by the vehicle manufacturer will void the transmission warranty."
"Mercon LV—the latest Ford ATF, it is factory fill in 2008 and later Fords. The LV stands for "low viscosity." It is a fully synthetic ATF. It is not compatible with earlier Mercon fluids, so it should neither be mixed with Mercon or Mercon V used to replace those fluids. It is not compatible with any other fluid, either."
http://www.cartechbooks.com/vstore/s...=3578&CATID=21
GaryG
"Automatic transmission fluids have specific viscosities, friction coefficients, and additives. ATFs are engineered to work with the design of specific automatic transmissions. They are not all the same. Moreover, if your vehicle is still under warranty, using a fluid that is not approved by the vehicle manufacturer will void the transmission warranty."
"Mercon LV—the latest Ford ATF, it is factory fill in 2008 and later Fords. The LV stands for "low viscosity." It is a fully synthetic ATF. It is not compatible with earlier Mercon fluids, so it should neither be mixed with Mercon or Mercon V used to replace those fluids. It is not compatible with any other fluid, either."
http://www.cartechbooks.com/vstore/s...=3578&CATID=21
GaryG
