shutting off at idle
#41
03-08-2007, 01:58 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Gotcha. That's a definite problem. Check out fordvehicles.com and do an advanced dealer search, that will allow you to find a hybrid-certified dealership near you. These vehicles are very different and require specific training for the technicians to be able to work on them (and to at least know what is and isn't normal behavior).
Be aware that the dealers know little to nothing about the hybrids, so you'll often have to set them straight.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Be aware that the dealers know little to nothing about the hybrids, so you'll often have to set them straight.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
#42
03-08-2007, 02:10 PM
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Uintah Basin Utah
Posts: 245
Re: shutting off at idle
Thanks Randy. Yeah, as far as hybrids go, the dealer and the service dept are often the last to know. I will search the area for Certified Tech. Thanks again!
#43
03-08-2007, 03:29 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Hi,
Please forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I'd appreciate it if you can answer the following question:
When driving the car and the ICE shuts down when idling, the following happens when you push HARD on the gas:
A: The car always stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE.
B: The car sometimes stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE. Other times, the ICE starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and drives normally.
C: The car does not move at all once the ICE has shut down, and you have to use the key to restart before you drive it again.
D: The ICE always starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and the car moves normally.
If your answer is either A, B or C, you have a problem. If it is D, this is normal operation. It sounds like you are experencing B, but your description is unfortunaltely vague in how you describe the failiure so it is hard to tell if you are describinga failure or normal operation in a rounabout way.
Good luck,
rcomeau
Please forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I'd appreciate it if you can answer the following question:
When driving the car and the ICE shuts down when idling, the following happens when you push HARD on the gas:
A: The car always stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE.
B: The car sometimes stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE. Other times, the ICE starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and drives normally.
C: The car does not move at all once the ICE has shut down, and you have to use the key to restart before you drive it again.
D: The ICE always starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and the car moves normally.
If your answer is either A, B or C, you have a problem. If it is D, this is normal operation. It sounds like you are experencing B, but your description is unfortunaltely vague in how you describe the failiure so it is hard to tell if you are describinga failure or normal operation in a rounabout way.
Good luck,
rcomeau
#44
03-08-2007, 03:51 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Hi,
Please forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I'd appreciate it if you can answer the following question:
When driving the car and the ICE shuts down when idling, the following happens when you push HARD on the gas:
A: The car always stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE.
B: The car sometimes stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE. Other times, the ICE starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and drives normally.
C: The car does not move at all once the ICE has shut down, and you have to use the key to restart before you drive it again.
D: The ICE always starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and the car moves normally.
If your answer is either A, B or C, you have a problem. If it is D, this is normal operation. It sounds like you are experencing B, but your description is unfortunaltely vague in how you describe the failiure so it is hard to tell if you are describinga failure or normal operation in a rounabout way.
Good luck,
rcomeau
Please forgive me if I am being obtuse, but I'd appreciate it if you can answer the following question:
When driving the car and the ICE shuts down when idling, the following happens when you push HARD on the gas:
A: The car always stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE.
B: The car sometimes stays in electric drive even if you push HARD on the gas and continues to drive in electric mode until the battery dies, or you put it into park, and use the key to restart the ICE. Other times, the ICE starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and drives normally.
C: The car does not move at all once the ICE has shut down, and you have to use the key to restart before you drive it again.
D: The ICE always starts automatically when you push HARD on the gas and the car moves normally.
If your answer is either A, B or C, you have a problem. If it is D, this is normal operation. It sounds like you are experencing B, but your description is unfortunaltely vague in how you describe the failiure so it is hard to tell if you are describinga failure or normal operation in a rounabout way.
Good luck,
rcomeau
GaryG
#45
03-08-2007, 04:15 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Is the car icon on the dash near the PRNDL still on or off when you say it dies? If it is still on and its not moving when trying to press the pedal, then something is way wrong (wrong enough that it SHOULD be showing a CEL - check engine light, or the STOP now warning)
#47
03-08-2007, 05:10 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Actually, he did not. He mentioned that he can drive in stop and go traffic most of the day with no problem. Was that using ICE all the time, or was it switching from ICE to EV like one would expect? Also, I was not asking how it behaved under 20MPH as this is the heart of the ambiguity I was getting at. Is he stuck at 20MPH, or was he deliberately staying below 20MPH for some reason? It was never clearly stated that he tried giving it more gas and the ICE would not come on. All the other posts asking the same questions (with different wordings) were to try to clarify that ambiguity. If he gave it more gas, was the speed limited to what the EV would provide (because the ICE would not start up) or was he just being light on the gas and giving up?
I don't want answer A, B, C or D below 20MPH, I am not interesed in the speed. I want A, B, C or D after pressing HARD enough on the pedal to normally force the ICE to kick in. That will clarify if there is a problem or not.
Roch
I don't want answer A, B, C or D below 20MPH, I am not interesed in the speed. I want A, B, C or D after pressing HARD enough on the pedal to normally force the ICE to kick in. That will clarify if there is a problem or not.
Roch
#48
03-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Actually, he did not. He mentioned that he can drive in stop and go traffic most of the day with no problem. Was that using ICE all the time, or was it switching from ICE to EV like one would expect? Also, I was not asking how it behaved under 20MPH as this is the heart of the ambiguity I was getting at. Is he stuck at 20MPH, or was he deliberately staying below 20MPH for some reason? It was never clearly stated that he tried giving it more gas and the ICE would not come on. All the other posts asking the same questions (with different wordings) were to try to clarify that ambiguity. If he gave it more gas, was the speed limited to what the EV would provide (because the ICE would not start up) or was he just being light on the gas and giving up?
I don't want answer A, B, C or D below 20MPH, I am not interesed in the speed. I want A, B, C or D after pressing HARD enough on the pedal to normally force the ICE to kick in. That will clarify if there is a problem or not.
Roch
I don't want answer A, B, C or D below 20MPH, I am not interesed in the speed. I want A, B, C or D after pressing HARD enough on the pedal to normally force the ICE to kick in. That will clarify if there is a problem or not.
Roch
"Randy. It is in full battery mode and dies requiring rekey to restart. I drive it and when I come to a complete stop (under 20mph in parking lot to wait to merge onto main road) it stops requiring rekey to restart. Once I am on the main road and the ICE kicks on and off during normal rush hour driving it is fine until the following morning wherein I repeat aforementioned process. The weather here has been perfect Florida weather the last few days, 58 at night and 80 in the day so I rule out cold weather as the culprit.
Jason. Yes, I like black & red. All my vehicles have been one or the other with the exception of my white '97 5.0 Mustang which looked exactly like the cop cars we had here back then. I loved driving through traffic and watching all the brake lights go off in front of me!"
Roch, this is crazy and I agree!
GaryG
Last edited by GaryG; 03-08-2007 at 07:00 PM.
#49
03-08-2007, 07:39 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
Yeah, I took "It is in full battery mode and dies" to mean that he's not referring to the ICE dying, but that the whole system (with ICE already off) cuts out. Still not perfectly clear, but I think we've established that it's not just the normal ICE-off state that he's referring to.
... though I'd certainly welcome a detailed description of what happens when he tries to drive it in this state.
... though I'd certainly welcome a detailed description of what happens when he tries to drive it in this state.
#50
03-08-2007, 09:10 PM
Re: shutting off at idle
The Mustang's last year with a (widely available) 5.0 was 1995.
Good luck Jerry- it sounds like you do have a problem because you've indicated "Once I am on the main road and the ICE kicks on and off during normal rush hour driving". So it would seem your vehicle is capable of running on either gas or electricity, just not in the mornings for some reason. I bet if the dealer flashed your PCM you'd be in good shape.
Good luck Jerry- it sounds like you do have a problem because you've indicated "Once I am on the main road and the ICE kicks on and off during normal rush hour driving". So it would seem your vehicle is capable of running on either gas or electricity, just not in the mornings for some reason. I bet if the dealer flashed your PCM you'd be in good shape.
