Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
#11
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
Originally Posted by HondaHondo
Hey thanks for the terrific replies. I will follow all your suggestions.
I should have clarified i live in surburbia and commute into Manhattan and do a third of the drive on local roads, 1/3 on the FDR which is a coasting 45-55 mph when I commute, and the final third in traffic. I've driven out to PA and also to Southern NJ - highway 90% of the way.
Let's see if we can make adjustments and get the next tank at better mpg.
I should have clarified i live in surburbia and commute into Manhattan and do a third of the drive on local roads, 1/3 on the FDR which is a coasting 45-55 mph when I commute, and the final third in traffic. I've driven out to PA and also to Southern NJ - highway 90% of the way.
Let's see if we can make adjustments and get the next tank at better mpg.
#12
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
You know, my previous was an 03 Accord EX and I never really checked the MPG. I do know that is has the same size tank and I am filling up more now.
I ran a few segment tests and am getting close to 9 in the city, 14 on local roads and 28 on highway.
I do get spurts of 40 on highway. I did 53 going down a huge 2 mile hill. So the thing ain't stuck. But even driving very ECO conscious I only log in my whole commute of 25 miles into Manhattan at around 19-20.
Last tank was 18.7 MPG for 216.5 miles.
Consumer Reports said that the Hybrid should get better MPG than any other Accord - 4 or 6 cyl. They are just above Manhattan so their city driving is considered NYC but not sure if they go into Manhattan. They are in a hilly area. They tested much better than me. They got 18 city compared to my 9-14 range. They averaged 29 when I average 18-19. I know those guys are highly critical and test for reality. Hmmmm...
So I'm still working on this. My wife says the thing is broken. She gets worse MPG than me...
I ran a few segment tests and am getting close to 9 in the city, 14 on local roads and 28 on highway.
I do get spurts of 40 on highway. I did 53 going down a huge 2 mile hill. So the thing ain't stuck. But even driving very ECO conscious I only log in my whole commute of 25 miles into Manhattan at around 19-20.
Last tank was 18.7 MPG for 216.5 miles.
Consumer Reports said that the Hybrid should get better MPG than any other Accord - 4 or 6 cyl. They are just above Manhattan so their city driving is considered NYC but not sure if they go into Manhattan. They are in a hilly area. They tested much better than me. They got 18 city compared to my 9-14 range. They averaged 29 when I average 18-19. I know those guys are highly critical and test for reality. Hmmmm...
So I'm still working on this. My wife says the thing is broken. She gets worse MPG than me...
#13
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
Consumer Reports does not test for reality. They just report on what THEY got on their testing. There realy is no objective reality with regaurds to FE. Every drive is different. Even the same driver on the same road at the same time of day can have different day to day numbers.
Has anything helped at all? I would think inflating the tires would give you some boost in your numbers even if nothing else does.
Has anything helped at all? I would think inflating the tires would give you some boost in your numbers even if nothing else does.
#14
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True, there is no objective reality but there is a collective reality. So unless everyone who has weighed in on MPG -- from CR right down to the forum users-- are shading the truth, I am an exception, so far. Everyone's collective experience tells me that I am getting less than I should.
I've had the opportunity to work with the people at CU and other indepenent (unpaid) testing failities and they come close to the consumer's experience. The cars are driven by people in everyday circumstances.
But I do realize that there are many factors in the CR testing that might or might not relate to my unique driving experience. So I refer again to the colletive evidence suggests that I'm underperforming.
My tire pressure is right on. I have not played with that yet.
One thing that Honda passed on to me, which you all have confirmed, is that there is a breaking in periood. This was charted on the EPA web site as well. Long range testing showed that as you begin to head toward 2K miles you increase your MPG noticeably. They charted two HAH over several months.
So, unless someone else can confirm that they too are getting 9 city and averaging 18 MPG, I have to believe there is much more to explore on my end.
I've had the opportunity to work with the people at CU and other indepenent (unpaid) testing failities and they come close to the consumer's experience. The cars are driven by people in everyday circumstances.
But I do realize that there are many factors in the CR testing that might or might not relate to my unique driving experience. So I refer again to the colletive evidence suggests that I'm underperforming.
My tire pressure is right on. I have not played with that yet.
One thing that Honda passed on to me, which you all have confirmed, is that there is a breaking in periood. This was charted on the EPA web site as well. Long range testing showed that as you begin to head toward 2K miles you increase your MPG noticeably. They charted two HAH over several months.
So, unless someone else can confirm that they too are getting 9 city and averaging 18 MPG, I have to believe there is much more to explore on my end.
#15
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
Originally Posted by HondaHondo
True, there is no objective reality but there is a collective reality. So unless everyone who has weighed in on MPG -- from CR right down to the forum users-- are shading the truth, I am an exception, so far. Everyone's collective experience tells me that I am getting less than I should.
I've had the opportunity to work with the people at CU and other indepenent (unpaid) testing failities and they come close to the consumer's experience. The cars are driven by people in everyday circumstances.
But I do realize that there are many factors in the CR testing that might or might not relate to my unique driving experience. So I refer again to the colletive evidence suggests that I'm underperforming.
My tire pressure is right on. I have not played with that yet.
One thing that Honda passed on to me, which you all have confirmed, is that there is a breaking in periood. This was charted on the EPA web site as well. Long range testing showed that as you begin to head toward 2K miles you increase your MPG noticeably. They charted two HAH over several months.
So, unless someone else can confirm that they too are getting 9 city and averaging 18 MPG, I have to believe there is much more to explore on my end.
I've had the opportunity to work with the people at CU and other indepenent (unpaid) testing failities and they come close to the consumer's experience. The cars are driven by people in everyday circumstances.
But I do realize that there are many factors in the CR testing that might or might not relate to my unique driving experience. So I refer again to the colletive evidence suggests that I'm underperforming.
My tire pressure is right on. I have not played with that yet.
One thing that Honda passed on to me, which you all have confirmed, is that there is a breaking in periood. This was charted on the EPA web site as well. Long range testing showed that as you begin to head toward 2K miles you increase your MPG noticeably. They charted two HAH over several months.
So, unless someone else can confirm that they too are getting 9 city and averaging 18 MPG, I have to believe there is much more to explore on my end.
This is not meant to "Slam" Honda but more I hope to simply say to you if (No-One) including Honda can offer some real assistance to this situation I would think about getting rid of the car unless you can (Live) with the FE it is going to deliver even after some miles is put on it.
I wish you the very best and hope you can come up to some solution that will work for you.
Regards
Terry
#16
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
Thanks for the last post. Yes this my fifth Honda, my third Accord. The dealer is mystified at my MPG. They've received no other complaints. I haven't taken it in yet but will soon. Apparently if there was something detectable wrong the check engine light would go on. It hasn't.
I'm trying all the various options and then will go to dealer. I have an excellent relationship with them and they've been calling me to ask me if things have improved.
I am not a Honda or Hybrid basher by any means so I am looking for this to fly and I believe it will.
I'm trying all the various options and then will go to dealer. I have an excellent relationship with them and they've been calling me to ask me if things have improved.
I am not a Honda or Hybrid basher by any means so I am looking for this to fly and I believe it will.
#17
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Well, I notice you said you didn't touch the tire preasure yet. Did you test it to make sure it as inflated properly? I have heard a report that someone got a car from a dealer and one of the tires was under inflated. This did give them poor gas mileage.
Also, you say that you should be getting what the average person is getting for FE. But your comute isn't average its pretty nightmareish. Have you tested your fe in other areas? I wish I lived near you so I could see the conditions and your driving habits to help you decide if its the car the commute or driver. Its probably the commute. I got 1/2 the mpg I usualy get when I followed my wife to the car dealer through a congested city.
Please check the tire pressure though. Other than commute I would say it would have the most effect.
Also, you say that you should be getting what the average person is getting for FE. But your comute isn't average its pretty nightmareish. Have you tested your fe in other areas? I wish I lived near you so I could see the conditions and your driving habits to help you decide if its the car the commute or driver. Its probably the commute. I got 1/2 the mpg I usualy get when I followed my wife to the car dealer through a congested city.
Please check the tire pressure though. Other than commute I would say it would have the most effect.
#18
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
Originally Posted by HondaHondo
Thanks for the last post. Yes this my fifth Honda, my third Accord. The dealer is mystified at my MPG. They've received no other complaints. I haven't taken it in yet but will soon. Apparently if there was something detectable wrong the check engine light would go on. It hasn't.
I'm trying all the various options and then will go to dealer. I have an excellent relationship with them and they've been calling me to ask me if things have improved.
I am not a Honda or Hybrid basher by any means so I am looking for this to fly and I believe it will.
I'm trying all the various options and then will go to dealer. I have an excellent relationship with them and they've been calling me to ask me if things have improved.
I am not a Honda or Hybrid basher by any means so I am looking for this to fly and I believe it will.
That being the case I think I may have some additional comments at this point that (Will-Help-You). I suggest you stop driving this Accord A.S.A.P. and take it back to your Dealer. Get your dealer to let you drive another one of the HAH (Honda Accord Hybrids) that they have even if it has miles on it and then you will see for yourself if there is any real difference between the two cars.
Your dealer should "Jump" all over this idea because it will possibly save them "Throwing" alot of maybe unneaded parts on your car and at the same time simply find out is it the conditions that you are driving under that is giving you the (Very-Reduced-MPG). Very-Poor- FE:
Good-Luck and I really hope that your dealer will try this and then you and your dealer will still have a great working relationship after it is all said and done with (NO-Ill-Feelings) for the either of you.
Gook-Luck; and let us know here on the Forums how things work out.
HTH
Terry
#19
Re: Help me Honda, help me Honda owners...
I was about to suggest the same thing; sounds like you and the Service dept get along. Ask them about a 'loaner' for a day or 2 while they take your car and drive it around, then comapre notes. A good mechanic will jump at the chance to see what's going on for more than a 5min test drive.
#20
UPDATE
Okay here's an update...
I think I've figured it out. I did exclusive highway driving to test and got 40 plus mpg. But my city still was pretty dismal. So I created three categories of driving:
Paying close attention to the ECO light even at the cost of running behind schedule we posted these ranges:
We did get our average commute up from 18 mpg to 27 mpg being very careful in the city and trying to cruise on the open road.
That's the biggie. A commute like that gives us better mpg than the 4 cyl Accord and more pwer when needed. It's also tighter ride.
Anyway I'm much less concerned but still have some kinks to work out.
And...it would be a great service to inform anyone about to purchase a hybrid that to take advantage of the green factor and make it worth the extra dollars, you do need to adjust the way you drive. It actually makes a cleaner, sharper driver, less sloppy drive. But it is a change to get uses to...
Thanks all for your help.
I think I've figured it out. I did exclusive highway driving to test and got 40 plus mpg. But my city still was pretty dismal. So I created three categories of driving:
- City - stop and go Manhattan
- Local - suburban
- Highway - cruising on 3 - 4 lane roads
Paying close attention to the ECO light even at the cost of running behind schedule we posted these ranges:
- City - 9 - 16 mpg
- Local - 15 - 24 mpg
- Highway 33 - 45 mpg
We did get our average commute up from 18 mpg to 27 mpg being very careful in the city and trying to cruise on the open road.
That's the biggie. A commute like that gives us better mpg than the 4 cyl Accord and more pwer when needed. It's also tighter ride.
Anyway I'm much less concerned but still have some kinks to work out.
And...it would be a great service to inform anyone about to purchase a hybrid that to take advantage of the green factor and make it worth the extra dollars, you do need to adjust the way you drive. It actually makes a cleaner, sharper driver, less sloppy drive. But it is a change to get uses to...
Thanks all for your help.