Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
#11
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
Originally Posted by Adam_HybridCivic
Your on the right track.
However, after reaching inital speed let your foot off the accelerator and reapply it just enough to stop regen. Doing this will decrease/cease fuel consumption. You don't have to use just two bars of assist. Using less saves battery life but takes longer to get to speed. Using more gets to speed faster increasing FE but can lower the battery. However, if getting to speed is done fast enough not much battery power will be used.
Either way you have the basics down. You can figure what works best for you.
However, after reaching inital speed let your foot off the accelerator and reapply it just enough to stop regen. Doing this will decrease/cease fuel consumption. You don't have to use just two bars of assist. Using less saves battery life but takes longer to get to speed. Using more gets to speed faster increasing FE but can lower the battery. However, if getting to speed is done fast enough not much battery power will be used.
Either way you have the basics down. You can figure what works best for you.
Under these requirements, I think it's better to avoid any assist and regen (when travelling on a flat course). The HCH's IMA adapts to your power demand. If you press down on the accelerator it tends to give you assist. But after a few seconds the CVT revs up and the assist goes away. I think that if you accelerate gradually enough you can get the engine revs to increase without kicking in any assist. That should be best for FE. When you glide it's the opposite. Gradually let off the accelerator and let the revs settle down without kicking in any regen.
#12
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
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#13
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
My P&G method involves getting up to speed and shutting the ICE off completely. Engines don't burn much gas when they are off. NOTE: This is dangerous, don't do it.
#14
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
Originally Posted by ElanC
Any use of assist has to complemented with use of regen. Otherwise you're sort of cheating. You're getting good FE while depleting the battery pack. It's not sustainable. Eventually you have to recharge the batteries and take an FE hit. A legitimate measurement of FE should require an equal SOC at the start and end of the trip.
Under these requirements, I think it's better to avoid any assist and regen (when travelling on a flat course). The HCH's IMA adapts to your power demand. If you press down on the accelerator it tends to give you assist. But after a few seconds the CVT revs up and the assist goes away. I think that if you accelerate gradually enough you can get the engine revs to increase without kicking in any assist. That should be best for FE. When you glide it's the opposite. Gradually let off the accelerator and let the revs settle down without kicking in any regen.
Under these requirements, I think it's better to avoid any assist and regen (when travelling on a flat course). The HCH's IMA adapts to your power demand. If you press down on the accelerator it tends to give you assist. But after a few seconds the CVT revs up and the assist goes away. I think that if you accelerate gradually enough you can get the engine revs to increase without kicking in any assist. That should be best for FE. When you glide it's the opposite. Gradually let off the accelerator and let the revs settle down without kicking in any regen.
#15
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
I have also found that my FE benefits more when using cruise control on flat ground. However, P&G is much more beneficial to me on uneven ground that changes altitude, hills and etc. Using crusie on my commute to work with lots of hills kills my mileage.
#17
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi All:
___Adam_HybridCivic, ICE up to speed as quickly as possible? Not a chance in hell! Assist? Absolutely not but the HCH-I and II has a problem with that at mid to high SoC unfortunately We will figure out the HCH-II’s secrets by spring when it warms up if the warmer temp guys haven’t figured it out by then. Glide, yes.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Adam_HybridCivic, ICE up to speed as quickly as possible? Not a chance in hell! Assist? Absolutely not but the HCH-I and II has a problem with that at mid to high SoC unfortunately We will figure out the HCH-II’s secrets by spring when it warms up if the warmer temp guys haven’t figured it out by then. Glide, yes.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#19
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
Originally Posted by ElanC
Any use of assist has to complemented with use of regen. Otherwise you're sort of cheating. You're getting good FE while depleting the battery pack. It's not sustainable. Eventually you have to recharge the batteries and take an FE hit.
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Originally Posted by xcel
The reason P&G falls apart at really high speeds is you receive no Glide due to the Aero friction. If you can’t drive below 70 mph, what is the point of trying?
The point was to find out if it helps or not, like I said it was an experiment and I didn't see much improvement. It does work in some situations like when expecting long downhills and such, but if you try to do it full scale it doesn't really work.
I do have good results though if I take a REALLY slow decel, like just lifting my foot off the gas a little bit to slow down 5-10 mph over a mile or two rather than full-out coasting, but I don't think that's really pulse and glide is it? Plus it doesn't add a lot for the extra effort it requires.
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Originally Posted by xcel
___Zimbop, optimal does not necessarily mean 3 - 5,000 RPM.
Last edited by zimbop; 01-12-2006 at 09:32 PM.
#20
Re: Pulse and Glide shouldn't work vs. Cruise control
I think there is something to accelerating more quickly in the pulse in some scenarios. Consider the case where you are sitting at an intersection and the light turns green. You know you have a stop sign coming up 1/4 mile down the road. You have two choices, you can accelerate gently and switch to the glide halfway to the stop sign, or you can accelerate more quickly and spend more time in the glide. Granted, you do get lower MPG during the pulse, but the pulse is shorter, plus the glide is infinite MPG, so stretching the glide has a bigger impact on the overall average than the lower MPG during the 'fast pulse'. The experiments I have done (like this one and these) so far seem to support this conclusion.
If you are on a flat, open road with no stops and no traffic, then gradual acceleration with no assist will probably get the best FE, but I think there are certain situations where a stonger pulse works better. The moral is that you have to adapt your rate of acceleration to the situation at hand.
IMHO. As usual, testing is in progress
If you are on a flat, open road with no stops and no traffic, then gradual acceleration with no assist will probably get the best FE, but I think there are certain situations where a stonger pulse works better. The moral is that you have to adapt your rate of acceleration to the situation at hand.
IMHO. As usual, testing is in progress
Last edited by NASAgineer; 01-12-2006 at 09:40 PM.