Question about Asst
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Re: Question about Asst
I have found EV-Assist mode to be extremely elusive and only available under certain circumstances (low RPM, flat road). It does not maintain my speed either. It's "fun" when I can get it to happen but I don't find it a dependable source of power. For me, it's kind of an "enhanced coasting" that only operates in the best of circumstances, is difficult to attain, and impossible to maintain for much time unless I'm on an open road by myself and don't care about losing acceleration.
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Re: Question about Asst
Originally Posted by slackandsteel
I have found EV-Assist mode to be extremely elusive and only available under certain circumstances (low RPM, flat road). It does not maintain my speed either. It's "fun" when I can get it to happen but I don't find it a dependable source of power. For me, it's kind of an "enhanced coasting" that only operates in the best of circumstances, is difficult to attain, and impossible to maintain for much time unless I'm on an open road by myself and don't care about losing acceleration.
Last edited by AJR; 08-10-2007 at 10:34 AM.
#13
Re: Question about Asst
Straight answer - usually I dont feel much going into EV mode - the mpg pegs at 100, the assist may read 0-4 white bars and the engine seems queter (with fewer explosions going on). Coming out of EV mode, I tend to feel a slight thump as the ICE reignites - also the MPG drops down from 100.
Also, I tend to avoid using assist or regen much at all if possible. To me, the regen is there to collect some of the "energy mistakes" I make when braking or rolling down hills. The assist is just getting paid back on some of the mistakes - the battery is the bank. Make fewer mistakes and less regen or assist are needed and FE goes up.
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Maybe think of it this way, Gniel9 --
It's a 90 hp gas engine, which is very nice for running straight and level but less nice for acceleration. But why carry around a bunch of extra engine to handle accel better when all the rest of the time that capacity is a drag on fuel economy?
So, add a 20 hp electric engine that does two things: 1) cranks up on demand (you nail the gas, it comes on to Assist, white bars) when you need more horsepower for accel; and 2) adds a heavy-duty engine brake by converting coasting energy to electricity as you slow down (you hit the brakes or take your foot off the gas to coast, it turns into a generator to recharge the battery, green bars).
Now you have the best of several worlds: small displacement/horsepower for cruising, adequate acceleration despite the small engine, and recovery of ordinarily wasted energy during braking/coasting.
So, to your question of whether Assist is more economical, the reason the answers are mixed is this: If driven reasonably, most or all of your charging is "free" energy, and that free energy is given back during acceleration, so it's *more* economical when using Assist than an engine without assist would be. BUT, to be the most possible economical, you'd use less energy to begin with by accelerating more gently -- and in the HCH II, when you do this, you won't see as much Assist (fewer white bars) because there's less momentary energy demand and the gas engine can supply it. Most of us, I think, find that it's not a perfect world where we can fully charge the battery just with coasting/braking if we're really using max assist all the time. If you're constantly seeing lots of white bars (more than 4-5) when you accelerate, very likely the battery will deplete until the engine starts charging it whether you're braking or not. That's forced regen, and it's inefficient.
Maybe still too complicated? I dunno.
cheers --
doug
It's a 90 hp gas engine, which is very nice for running straight and level but less nice for acceleration. But why carry around a bunch of extra engine to handle accel better when all the rest of the time that capacity is a drag on fuel economy?
So, add a 20 hp electric engine that does two things: 1) cranks up on demand (you nail the gas, it comes on to Assist, white bars) when you need more horsepower for accel; and 2) adds a heavy-duty engine brake by converting coasting energy to electricity as you slow down (you hit the brakes or take your foot off the gas to coast, it turns into a generator to recharge the battery, green bars).
Now you have the best of several worlds: small displacement/horsepower for cruising, adequate acceleration despite the small engine, and recovery of ordinarily wasted energy during braking/coasting.
So, to your question of whether Assist is more economical, the reason the answers are mixed is this: If driven reasonably, most or all of your charging is "free" energy, and that free energy is given back during acceleration, so it's *more* economical when using Assist than an engine without assist would be. BUT, to be the most possible economical, you'd use less energy to begin with by accelerating more gently -- and in the HCH II, when you do this, you won't see as much Assist (fewer white bars) because there's less momentary energy demand and the gas engine can supply it. Most of us, I think, find that it's not a perfect world where we can fully charge the battery just with coasting/braking if we're really using max assist all the time. If you're constantly seeing lots of white bars (more than 4-5) when you accelerate, very likely the battery will deplete until the engine starts charging it whether you're braking or not. That's forced regen, and it's inefficient.
Maybe still too complicated? I dunno.
cheers --
doug
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To me, the regen is there to collect some of the "energy mistakes" I make when braking or rolling down hills. The assist is just getting paid back on some of the mistakes - the battery is the bank. Make fewer mistakes and less regen or assist are needed and FE goes up.
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