Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
 

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Great-News:;)

Terry

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IF, and it seems like a big if, a hybrid escalade was rated by the EPA at 30mpg then that'd really be something. Cadillac didn't have any MPG figures that I could find on their website for the '07 Escalade. Chevy's Tahoe is very similar and rated at 16/22mpg (4WD 15/21). The Tahoe uses a 5.3L V8 while the new Escalade uses a 6.2L V8, not sure how that will affect the mpg. I'm thinking I might have read somewhere that the 6.2L has some additional fuel saving technology that the current 5.3Ls used in the Tahoes dont have or don't have yet. I know the '07 Escalade has a new 6spd transmission while the early '07 Tahoes still come with a 4spd.

So I guess IF the non hybrid '07 Escalade is rated at 24mpg on the highway and the hybrid version improves the highway mpg by 25% then it would be rated at 30mpg highway. If it's rated at 23mpg, a 25% would have the hybrid version at 28.75mpg on the highway....close. I wonder if theres any place in Vegas taking bets on whether or not the '08 Escalade hybrid will be rated at 30mpg on the highway....

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finally the rap stars can stop polluting our planet ;D

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Well... I guess that GM is putting 2-Mode into the high-end vehicles because a $3k-$5k hybrid premium translates into a smaller % cost differential on expensive cars. My only concern is whether greedy, aging Yuppies (who are the only ones who can afford a SUV like that) actually give a **** about the environment. I just don't know.

At least it will be an *option* for consumers, and I think that's awesome!

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what an incredible waste of technology and natural resources......just think what these engineers could do if they didn't feel they had to create a hybrid out of every huge behemoth on the road just to please the bottom line of their CEO and the ego of some yuppie........ :angry:

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Does anybody know what the mean by their "two mode hybrid"?

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The GM hybrid system is supposed to be much cheaper than the existing systems.

I believe the "two mode hybrid" is basicly similar to what we have now in cars. GM also has a BAS system which is basicly an alternator on steriods.

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Similar to Ford/Toyota- 2 separate inputs to the transmission. Either gas or electric (or both) can move the vehicle. Its based on the prototype busses they've been running in a couple of dozen cities.

It appears to be a CVT, based on this quote from Seattle:
"This bus is totally different," explained Stephens. "When you go to drive away you hear next to nothing. The electric drive system augments the torque required to drive away and helps the diesel engine so you get a nice, smooth, quiet drive away and there are no shifts whatsoever; it is totally smooth, more like light-rail transportation as opposed to what you conventionally think of with bus transportation."

Also part of this system will be cylinder shutdown, aka "active fuel management"

This is NOT the BAS system that is on the Sliverado and VUE.

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Just reading the headline makes my skin crawl. Yes I guess an Escalade-with-hybrid is an improvement over Escalade-without-hybrid, but the phrase "lipstick on a pig" sort of comes to mind.
No....make that "polishing a t*rd".

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A 25% improvement in an SUV will save more gasoline than the same 25% improvement in a smaller car. People buy an SUV because it fits their lifestyle better, a 6ft 5inch person is not going to be comfortable in a compact car. Instead of criticizing their choices, we should be trying to steer them to make better choices by offering them more efficient alternatives. I accept that a certain percentage of people will continue driving SUVs, so I think a hybrid SUV makes sense.

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It only really makes sense if you discontinue the non-hybrid version, otherwise it's a token effort. That won't happen, but I really wish they would suck it up and do what's best.

Same with their current super-mild hybrid. If that was on every new GM truck sold it would be saving tons of fuel instead of being merely lipservice and PR. Oh well.

Remember, SUVs are SAFE:

http://www.mjmorningshow.com/timages...icle_fatal.wmv

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Schwa-

what's the motivation behind the citgo sig?

Citgo:
- 100% New World sourced
- leading provider of E85 and other alt fuels outside the cornbelt
- giving free/subsidized heating oil to needy families in NE
- fully owned by Hugo Chavez & co.

I'm no fan of the neo-lefties in SA, but for a bigoil player they're doing fair amount of good stuff.

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Yep, those were all motivating factors and personally I'm happy to see social democracy taking shape in South America, although I know the US can't allow that to go on for long, it's good that the population is standing up and I wish more people would find out what's really going on there rather than just believing what's on the news, but I thought I would just focus on the "what you can do" aspect of it in terms of making a choice for fuel.

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I agree completely. There seem to be an awful lot of "holier than thou" attitude in the hybrid world. If people really want to get picky we should only applaud those who drive the Honda Insight, the best real world mileage in the hybrid world. Ah you say, it just isn't practical for everyone - that is exactly "nospam's" point. I suggest we in they hybrid world get off our piety trip and applaud any advancement in the technology that saves fuel and the environment, regardless of anyone's motivation for building or buying it!

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The large, heavy vehicles are exactly where the hybrid design makes the most sense. I understand that tree-huggers (I am one) are opposed to the kind of waste typified by an Escalade, but people choose to drive them, so let's make them as green as possible.

No one cares much if a car that gets 45 mpg gets 60 mpg as a hybrid. But changing a truck that gets 18 mpg into one that gets 24 has more of an impact on both oil consumption and emissions. Every 20,000 miles, the first conversion saves 278 gallons of gasoline, while the second saves only 111.

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I totally agree with your greater impact statement, Jim.

I'll agree with grizzy's "holier than thou" attitude in the hybrid community - to an extent. I realize that a Civic is not big enough for everybody, but the average vehicle has gained about 1000 pounds over the last 25 years (feel free to check that fact out....). The most popular vehicle in America is now the pickup truck - do we have an explosion of farmers, ranchers and construction workers?

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I think you have to support the use of hybrid technology in behemoths if you truly want to improve things. For some years I had a mid-size SUV, but was careful to combine my trips and did a lot of walking. A neighbor had a Civic, but seemed to be driving around in it all day. I'll bet I got more tasks accomplished per gallon than she did.

While I'm sure there are things we should do to make wasteful vehicles less common, denying them green technology isn't one of them.

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I didn't realize you could only own a pick-up truck if you worked in one of these fields.

I own a Hybrid and I also own a pick-up truck because the truck fits certain needs, like when I need to pick up large items from a store. I guess it would be better if I just let everyone deliver all my large items to me in those great gas saving Ryder-like trucks.

I guess I should have bought my Hybrid for the reasons you think are important and not for my own reasons. Hey if GM thinks there is a market for an Escalade that gets 30mpg more power to them. If you want the tech to go main stream, what better place to introduce it, than in the main stream vehicles.


I didn't by my Highlander just because it was a Hybrid. I bought it because it had the best combination of room, horsepower, features, AND mpg.

Just out of curiousity, I notice you are in the Dallas area, how many days a week you take the DART and/or public transportation?

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Actually, the lack of a decent hybrid pickup truck is the main reason I don't own a pickup truck. I do actually think trucks (but **NOT** SUVs) are cool.

But... I can't live with the idea of getting 9-12 mpg.

Now if GM or Ford somehow manage to produce a pickup w/ 30-35 mpg, I'd buy one.

I don't *need* one, so I don't have one now. But if I could satisfy my *want* in a 30-35 mph vehicle, I don't see anything wrong with that!

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If they could make a full size SUV that would get good mileage why not? kevin

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I tend to take long, meandering trips by car/truck. I go down back roads wherever possible. My longest drive in the country was 17,000 miles and took five months. It included seeing the Alaskan tundra and returning back east via the most northernmost route we could devise through Canada. An "SUV" is the only way I would choose to do such trips. I can go down any road or rut and make it out the other side. A pick-up (which I have also owned when i had a horse farm) would not have kept our gear as protected, and we would have had nowhere to put friends we met along our route.

The type of vehicle that makes sense depends upon your personal wants and your purposes. I'd like to see hybrids across the board.

I will say that I sometimes wonder what purpose is being served by all the large SUVs around. In my experience, smaller is better for going down questionable roads and trails. But I'm sure that some large-SUV owners have their reasons.

Wrongheadedness is Constitional
 

Every post list my location as Lewisville - as anyone familiar with DART knows - it's not served by DART. Your potshot was no better than the Vice President's on his huntiing trip. :D BTW, whre are you from?



It seems the fire in this thread is directed at the Escalade - not the HH. As lately as this morning I've said trucks are just fine when used for what they are intended. It's just the explosion of trucks and SUV's the last twenty years is obviously the result of whims, not needs. Lots of things are legal but wrongheaded. My freedoms don't extend to having a farm on my residence or styling my home to clash with the neighborhood. I have to cut the grass, etc...the impact seems less than driving a 6-8 seater that I rarely use to capacity. Yes, every red-blooded American has the right to deplete our oil supply and encouarge Global Warming more than they need to....

Again, I've made several "if the shoe fits" posts differing between trucks that are actually used verses those that are flaunted. I took pictures of guys that I see daily that need a power truck/jumbo SUV only for an ego trip to differentiate then from the ones that actually need it. In the past, new people on the forum with small SUVs get defensive...if anyone feels persecuted by talk against the Escalade or Hummer....:rolleyes:

Sorry I offended you and the guys you might relate to...

http://www.spencerthelion.com/images/fullofit04.jpg

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WOW! That must have been one awesome car trip. I suppose you did it in the summertime, or at least trasversed the northenmost roads in a "reasonable" weather. Reasonable meaning only a couple of feet of snow....:confused:

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And yet you choose to live in a city that doesn't provide public transportation? It seems to me that if this was such a sore spot you would do more to fight the cause. I mean shouldn't someone as dedicated to the cause as yourself find an employeer who is only willing to pick locations serviced by public transportation? I mean what kind of message is it sending that you chose to live and work in a place that doesn't practive oil conservation. But like you say every American has the right to deplete our oil supply.

Let's assume you HAD to live in Lewisville for reasons outside of work and family. I can HOPE that you did the right thing purchased the smallest house available or built a house from all recycled materials. You do have a completely energy effecient home that is generates it's own power correct? I would hate to find out that you are actually connected to the energy grid.

If you have a lawn I also hope you use a mechanical rotary lawn mowers rather than one with a gas engine. I sure would hate for some self-righteous individual to drive by one day and take a picture of you mowing your lawn with a gas engine. Especially if that person was to post you image on the net and start making judgements regarding your personal choices in life.

I wonder who is on the real ego trip here. The guy minding his own business while driving down the freeway, or the person behind the camera who feels they are able to judge a persons motives, beliefs, and attitude in the brief second the pass them on the freeway. :rolleyes:

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Chilly,

You have made only nine posts here, still refuse to mention which part of the country you reside, and are foaming in the mouth on the last couple of posts - not a great introduction. Trying to decide if you're in the wrong automotive forum, a troller, or haven't shaken off a hangover...

While I did not directly attack you for buying a HH (and never intended to), you have gone out of your way to pick up a chip and knock it off your shoulder. Do you realize how childish your rant sounds of "if you disapprove of a hybrid Escalade, then you better live like a hard-cord Greenpeace activitist and live 100% off the grid?"

Your nickname may be "Chilly", but your apparent blood pressure is well over 120/80.

I don't need to add much more since you discredit yourself with your last couple of post far more effectively than anyone else.

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My issue is with your Judge Dread attitude towards TRUCK owners. As far as my blood pressure goes or foaming at the mouth, far from it. I could really careless what you think of me or the vehicles I drive.

As far as refusing to tell you where I live. Explain to me how that adds credibility? :confused:
Oh yeah I get it. Some one who disagrees with your fascist judgemental statements (more than in just this thread, I have seen several from you over the last few weeks) and now they must divulge what part of the country they live in to have their opinion mean anything. Nice way to divert the focus of the conversation.

You are right about one thing. You don't need to add much more. You have missed the entire point. But I guess even people who live in glass houses can have problems seeing what's outside.

Good Day Sir.

I said Good Day.

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^^ seriously this is why we need a chatroom... so i can yell out...

(removed due to i don't want to get banned just yet)

no but seriously... Delta hates people who drives trucks for ego or to transport themselfs, Chilly owns one because he needs to carry items from time to time. Ok what's the problem here? Chilly hates how Delta hates truckers with no truck duties, but that's how he rolls. But Chilly doesn't roll that way!! What happens if the next person Delta starts hating on is actually a truck user not just some ego trucker?

Then that's when S*** IS GOING DOWN!! like above post^^

As for the cadillac hybrid its gonna be dope, i can picture all the rap stars making a big deal on how quiet it is. Maybe even corporate it into their music videos... and then when they sitting in the red light maybe finally they'll add some crazy whistling sounding affect for thier spinners. Then they'll definately be ballin!

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LMAO.

I Have Voices in My Head Talking?
 

Chilly,

In case you haven't realized it, quite a few others that share similar views to mine - so you apparently hate them as well. You willfully choose to overlook my posts that state I was not dissing the HH, people that actually need to haul people/stuff more than a few times a year in a truck/SUV. You prefer to throw perjoritives like "fascist" and "Judge Dredd" to keep an agruement going. It's strange you are the only one launching these attacks. Why do you ignore these points or bother to say much about yourself such as a where you live? If you think a mysterious identity and a chip on your shoulder gives you any credibility, rant on. It's very common for trollers to give near zero info about themselves, as opposed to active members are geninuly interested in the forum. We just had one at the time you joined...

I and many others see huge vehicles bully their way down the highway and/or with drivers that are on some kind of power trip. Again, I did not say everyone does this, but I do see it daily (note: Chilly has some kind of behavioral disability that prevents him from understanding that qualification - common in trolls). Commercials appeal to the power and virility of power trucks and jumbo SUVs....could go on but suffice to say it's not an illusion I see out there...

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I agree with tbaleno in the closed thread above - stop the bickering.

This might be a good time to discuss something such as if anybody knows something about GM's dual mode hybrid system....

BTW, this was my post that supposedly started all the turmoil....

Again, on to a constructive topic....

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re: the quote of your original post...
one of the reasons for the explosion in the sales of pickup trucks dates back to the mid-80s at the latest, maybe even earlier than that... when vehicles above as certaing gross weight were exempted from pollution controls.

back when EGRs and PCVs either made your engine run like crap or made you think it did.

factor that in to the equations, please...

gee, Chilly... maybe i should take some info out of my autographs....
:shade:

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OK. but does anyone know if there will be a major price up on the 2008 hybrid escalade? I mean the 2007 escalade suv is already like $57,000. so how much will the hybrid version escalade cost, $67,000?

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That is one danger of GM putting 2-Mode only in high-end luxury SUVs: the target market will be too small to recoup the cost of infrastructure investment and R&D.

I think it's great that GM wants to make the biggest guzzlers less thirsty, but they should put 2-Mode in their low and midrange vehicles too.

After all, the existence of the Prius shows that people are more than willing to buy a small/midsize sedan in a hybrid flavor.

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OK. but does anyone know if there will be a major price up on the 2008 hybrid escalade? I mean the 2007 escalade suv is already like $57,000. so how much will the hybrid version escalade cost, $67,000?

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That was kind-of the though I had too. :omg:

Take one of the most gas guzzling, super-sized, vehicles made by Cadillac, and make it slightly more efficient.

IMHO, it would have been a lot more appropriate for Cadillac to have made their SRX into a hybrid. At least you are starting with a smaller, 6 cyl, car-based crossover.

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It saves more fuel and pollution to replace an Escalade with a hybrid version than to replace an SRX with a hybrid version.

The only way to get people to choose the smallest vehicle that will do the job for them is to tax the hell out of fuel. All else is smoke and mirrors.

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First off, I'll say that everything Jim said in his reply is spot on. I'll add an additional perspective......

• The Tahoe hybrid will have a 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid Tahoes. The 6.0L is adapted from the 6.0L gas engine already optional in the Tahoe.
• The Yukon hybrid will have a 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid Yukons. The 6.0L is adapted from the 6.0L gas engine already optional in the Yukon.
• The Escalade hybrid will have 6.0L SOHV V8 with AFM and a transmission similar in size to the 6 speed available in non-hybrid. The 6.0L is very similar in design and build to the 6.2L already in the Escalade.

(anybody seeing a trend yet?)

• The SRX powertrain options are a 3.6L DOHC V6 with a 5 speed transmission or a 4.6L DOHC V8 with a 5 speed transmission. The engine choices are world's apart in design as compared to the engine around which the truck application 2-Mode Hybrid is being developed. It would require a major tear-up of the engine compartment and the transmission tunnel to make the 6.0L and the 2-Mode trans fit in the SRX.

Peace,

Martin

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Chilly, do you get it yet? Unless all of that post was tongue-in-cheek, and i didn't get the impression you meant it that way, you've just pilloried Delta for exactly the same reasons and in exactly the same way you don't want to be pilloried!

you've given Delta a drive-by rant, complaining that he should have moved to a public-transport-friendly city, with no consideration for ANY possible reason he didn't, and now you're asking him to defend himself on that decision... to whom?

you?

every ecology-minded person you know?

he made his decisions for his reasons, and you for yours and me for mine. would you call me "green" or just plain stupid for buying a Prius Gen2 and NOT driving it but 4-8k miles a year?!? after all, "it only makes real economic sense to run a hybrid if you're driving a lot," right?

heck, i might average 4-5k a year and my wife might average 6-10k, and i've got her looking at the hybrid Camry! and her '98 camry xle with full options has barely 40k on it! gee, another stupid move, to sell or trade a perfectly good car just to save a few miles per gallon?

people have lots of different motivations, and make their decisions based on myriad considerations.

but once they've decided, they've decided. they've made their choice.

how about asking things like "what went into your decision to move there, buy that truck," etc.????

and, as Falk's 13th Law [ http://www.plusaf.com/falklaws.htm#13th ] states, "Stereotypes don't come out of Nowhere."

if you don't care to tell us where you live, you're still painting a picture of yourself in our minds' eyes, and it might not be all that complimentary.

it's human nature to be suspicious of people who seem to be hiding something...

happy motoring, one way or the other, and remember the signs in Texas: "Drive Friendly"..... can i get a bumper sticker from someone that says that???

:)