Re: Run your car on H20
 

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This is addictive. You guys should try it :)

Re: Run your car on H20
 

hahaha

Re: Run your car on H20
 

:P Guesss what! It is really easy to write a screen macro that will do this while you are at lunch. <click> <click> <click> <click> .................

... at least until they add one of those "Type the numbers you see on the screen" thingies.

Re: Run your car on H20
 

Hey it's gone... Now the don't want us to run our cars on water, they want us to... GO RVing!

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haha

at least it's not a scam

Re: Run your car on H20
 

You CAN run your current car with Hydrogen or "Browns Gas".

The problem is, it costs MORE to do it, not less.
From one Hydrogen generatorwebsite:

Q: How is it possible that my present engine will power the HYDROGEN GENERATOR and still get such an incredible improvement in gas mileage? Is that against the laws of physics? You can’t get more energy out of something than you put in, right?
ANSWER: Your internal combustion engine's efficiency will be dramatically improved with the introduction of HYDROGEN gas. You see, the engine alternator keeps turning whether or not the engine and battery use all of the electricity it produces. Energy is wasted constantly turning the alternator that is captured to power the HYDROGEN GENERATOR? which, in turn, produces HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN GASES used to improve combustion. The way modern engines work, powering the HYDROGEN GENERATOR is virtually FREE!

Now what is FALSE about the above... ahem... comment.... is:
What happens when you spin your hybrid car's generator to get "regen" to make electricity to charge the battery? Does your car slow down, speed up, or stay the same?

I'm sure you will all agree that regen, getting power via alternator ( your hybrid car has an AC motor really ) slows the car down.

A 12v alternator in a standard car will put extra load on the ICE and actually slow down the standard car also. The alternator is smaller, so the slowing effect is smaller, but it is there.

Also, look at the size of those devices... then look at how much air your car sucks into the intake. Adding 0.05% mass of hydrogen to the air mix is insignificant in my book... and the 'slowing' effect of the amp draw on the alternator is larger.

It is only true that the alternator ( in a regular car ) is spinning whether or not the car's battery or system needs power. If the battery does not need power, the alternator is under no load, and not slowing down the car... just like your hybrid "coasting" and not charging.

Put the load of the hydrogen generator on the alternator, and the alternator will slow down the car. If you could select to do this as a form of regen, like when stopping, or going down hill, and stored the hydrogen for later use, there would at least be some merit to this idea. As is, it is useless. I know you knew this already. So I guess I was really bored and needed something to type today!
;) -John

Re: Run your car on H20
 

Actually you are hitting around an area I'm beginning to investigate. I've been working on NiMH battery refurbishment and one of the lessons learned is how badly these cells suffer during high charge events. Since these seem to be fairly brief and of finite energy, my first thought was to use an ultra-capacitor system but that gets pretty pricey quickly.

The problem is charge is stored in volts in a capacitor versus current in a battery. As the extra current flows, I'd have to store it in the capacitor by a current-to-voltage converter and later, pull it out mitigate some of the high current drains. Unfortunately, even ultra-capacitors run out of energy capacity pretty quickly (see Wiki for energy density.)

I don't like the round-trip losses of electrolysis on demand. The engine will only return 1/3d of the energy used to make the H_{2} gas. However, I have been thinking along the lines of refractory temperature, air-metal batteries for some time.

Using a series setup of ceramic housed cells and air-metal, they could take the extra amps that today just age our batteries and make liquid metal. Then when extra charge is needed, add air and pull the energy back out. If the heat losses can be managed, we might have a good answer for improving regenerative efficiencies as well as extending the life of our NiMH batteries. Now if that metal is aluminum . . . I'd call it "Mr. Fusion" as in:
http://journeyhomeburke.files.wordpr.../mr-fusion.jpg
Drink the beer and use the can!

Of course the other alternative is a bank of batteries working 'in parallel' through the magic of the controller. But splitting off the excess current and returning is becomes another version of the ultra-capacitor problem and quickly becomes expensive.

Bob Wilson

Re: Run your car on H20
 

So If a car burns .22 lbs of liquid fuel per minute and is going 60 mph thats 30 mpg how is 1.6l of gaseous hydrogen(2) with oxygen going to improve mpg by 40%. What is the weight of HHO at standard temp and pressure?