Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
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Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?lln&id=421882
This is all very silly. My 99' CR-V gets 27 mpg. Should it also be allowed in the HOV lanes? It would seem very unfair to allow hybrid SUV's getting around 30 mpg in these lanes, while excluding the many non-hybrid cars out there getting far better than 30 mpg.
This is all very silly. My 99' CR-V gets 27 mpg. Should it also be allowed in the HOV lanes? It would seem very unfair to allow hybrid SUV's getting around 30 mpg in these lanes, while excluding the many non-hybrid cars out there getting far better than 30 mpg.
#2
Re: Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
Originally Posted by Archslater
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?lln&id=421882
This is all very silly. My 99' CR-V gets 27 mpg. Should it also be allowed in the HOV lanes? It would seem very unfair to allow hybrid SUV's getting around 30 mpg in these lanes, while excluding the many non-hybrid cars out there getting far better than 30 mpg.
This is all very silly. My 99' CR-V gets 27 mpg. Should it also be allowed in the HOV lanes? It would seem very unfair to allow hybrid SUV's getting around 30 mpg in these lanes, while excluding the many non-hybrid cars out there getting far better than 30 mpg.
Bob Wilson
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Re: Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
IMHO, hybrids should be in the rush hour traffic jams . . . where they get even better mileage. But California has unusual air quality issues.
The logic involved though is not that that veihicle will get better instantaneous mileage, but that the ability to save time will act as an incentive to get more people to buy cars that are more efficient. However, seeing as the cars are selling out on their own anyway, it is a pretty stupid idea. The whole purpose of those lanes is to reduce congestion by encouraging people to carpool-- it's about reducing the number of cars, not tailpipe emissions (though less cars will have that effect). Allowing any single-drivers in can actually counteract that incetive by filling the lane up.
As for the article, it's ridiculous -- Toyota and Honda betweem them have several hybrids (SUVs, performance sedans) that are not allowed in the carpool lanes either, it has nothing to do with discriminating against Ford/GM. Also, the entire point will be moot on Jan 1,2008 anyway when the program is discontinued, at least in California.
Last edited by Double-Trinity; 05-17-2006 at 11:46 AM.
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Re: Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
I did a bit of digging:
From Hybridcenter.org:
If you speak legalese, you can read the bill here
On p. 54, it states
And while a 50% increase in city or 25% combined mileage increase does fit Congress' definition of an energy efficient vehicle, nothing sticks out as saying that states that is the only possible definition, nor does it say states have to do it.
From Hybridcenter.org:
Federal Hybrid HOV Waiver: On March 10, the House of Representatives approved a $284 billion highway bill (H.R. 3) that includes a waiver for states to be allowed to open the HOV lanes to hybrid cars rated at least 45 miles per gallon. Senator Jim Talent's (R-MO) successfully introduced an amendment to the Senate highway bill that would give states the discretion to open up their HOV lanes to hybrid vehicles that achieve at least a 50 percent increase in fuel efficiency in the city and a 25 percent increase in fuel efficiency in combined city-highway miles over the non-hybrid model, regardless of the number of passengers and as long as it meets any Tier 2 federal emissions standard. This would allow vehicles such as the Ford Escape Hybrid to qualify. The House and Senate bills have been reconciled and passed as of August 1 and include the Senate language. President Bush will sign H.R. 3 into law the week of August 8.
On p. 54, it states
SENSE OF CONGRESS.—It is the sense of Congress that
the Secretary and the States should provide additional incentives
(including the use of high occupancy vehicle lanes on State and
Interstate highways) for the purchase and use of hybrid and other
fuel efficient vehicles, which have been proven to minimize air
emissions and decrease consumption of fossil fuels.
the Secretary and the States should provide additional incentives
(including the use of high occupancy vehicle lanes on State and
Interstate highways) for the purchase and use of hybrid and other
fuel efficient vehicles, which have been proven to minimize air
emissions and decrease consumption of fossil fuels.
#7
Re: Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
Of course it is much easier for Ford and GM to lobby congress to lower regulations than to raise their technology to meet current ones. Business as usual for American corporations.....
Amazing.
Amazing.
#8
Re: Ford, GM want their hybrids let in carpool lanes, Cite Discrimination
Originally Posted by blinkard
You know, if appealing to the federal government doesn't work, maybe they should just cry to their mommy.
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
Maybe they should try making hybrid that gets 50mpg or better.
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