My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
#11
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Steve
Thanks and I agree 100%. I have said up front to my dealer that I don't wish to waste his time chasing ghosts and am willing to work with him.
Following his advise and simply reading the e-mail I sent to my dealer to Honda Canada elicited an immediate 'legal slant' reply from Honda Canada......a reasonable person could construe that when told of no IMA assist during hard acceleration, Honda Canada is taking a pre-determined (scripted) course of action to achieve a desired (for Honda Canada) result.
So I think I'll just leave any liaison with Honda Canada in my dealers hands. It is going to be up to me to provide an example of 'a hard fail'.
Thanks
Thanks and I agree 100%. I have said up front to my dealer that I don't wish to waste his time chasing ghosts and am willing to work with him.
Following his advise and simply reading the e-mail I sent to my dealer to Honda Canada elicited an immediate 'legal slant' reply from Honda Canada......a reasonable person could construe that when told of no IMA assist during hard acceleration, Honda Canada is taking a pre-determined (scripted) course of action to achieve a desired (for Honda Canada) result.
So I think I'll just leave any liaison with Honda Canada in my dealers hands. It is going to be up to me to provide an example of 'a hard fail'.
Thanks
#12
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Navguy 12, in mid-2010 my 2006 HCH at around 25K was not operating properly. Frequent recals, lower mpg, no IMA at critical moments, etc. I left it with the dealer. They inserted a device to capture performance date and drove it for 3-4 days. The mechanic experienced all that I had but there were no system alarms, thanks to a software "upgrade", which made the symptoms worse.
The service manager waited until he had an on-site meeting with Honda America's regional manager to plead my case. It took some time but finally the IMA battery was replaced gratis. Hopefully your end result will be the same.
The service manager waited until he had an on-site meeting with Honda America's regional manager to plead my case. It took some time but finally the IMA battery was replaced gratis. Hopefully your end result will be the same.
#13
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Navguy 12, in mid-2010 my 2006 HCH at around 25K was not operating properly. Frequent recals, lower mpg, no IMA at critical moments, etc. I left it with the dealer. They inserted a device to capture performance date and drove it for 3-4 days. The mechanic experienced all that I had but there were no system alarms, thanks to a software "upgrade", which made the symptoms worse.
The service manager waited until he had an on-site meeting with Honda America's regional manager to plead my case. It took some time but finally the IMA battery was replaced gratis. Hopefully your end result will be the same.
The service manager waited until he had an on-site meeting with Honda America's regional manager to plead my case. It took some time but finally the IMA battery was replaced gratis. Hopefully your end result will be the same.
#14
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Side bar question: in an attempt to see if any 'stored codes' are in my car's system, I attached my trusty OBD II tester to the applicable DTC connection point.
Following the correct OBD II test procedure, I got an 'unable to communicate' code. I tried it a second time with the same result.
A friend let me use his OBD II tester. Same result: "error, unable to communicate".
Now when my software was updated in late summer 2011, I know that the dealer had to use the DTC connection point with the Honda laptop computer plugged in to same to do the software update.
Question: do I have a possible wiring/ground issue, or do these cars require the actual Honda laptop computer plugged into them to read any codes?
Thanks
Mike
Following the correct OBD II test procedure, I got an 'unable to communicate' code. I tried it a second time with the same result.
A friend let me use his OBD II tester. Same result: "error, unable to communicate".
Now when my software was updated in late summer 2011, I know that the dealer had to use the DTC connection point with the Honda laptop computer plugged in to same to do the software update.
Question: do I have a possible wiring/ground issue, or do these cars require the actual Honda laptop computer plugged into them to read any codes?
Thanks
Mike
#15
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
I have a cheap code reader. It will not read my 2007 HCHII but will read my 2002 Maxima and my daughter's 2006 Honda Pilot.
I think some of the cheaper code readers will not read the HCHII.
I think some of the cheaper code readers will not read the HCHII.
#16
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Jatrammell, thanks.
So, I have heard about the Scan Gauge II, is that the type of unit that will communicate with the '07 systems?
I'm scheduled to bring the car into the dealership on 12 Jan 2012.
With 5 bars showing on the SOC meter, I now sometimes get no idle stop (stop-start) when logically I should. And if I drive in an urban setting for about 20 minutes and then call for full acceleration, I'll get, at most, one second of assist followed by no assist with the gas peddle at the floor merging onto the highway.......
So, I have heard about the Scan Gauge II, is that the type of unit that will communicate with the '07 systems?
I'm scheduled to bring the car into the dealership on 12 Jan 2012.
With 5 bars showing on the SOC meter, I now sometimes get no idle stop (stop-start) when logically I should. And if I drive in an urban setting for about 20 minutes and then call for full acceleration, I'll get, at most, one second of assist followed by no assist with the gas peddle at the floor merging onto the highway.......
#17
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Don't know.
#18
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
Update: a copy of my latest e-mail to my dealer
No IMA light yet, but I have to say that the cool weather is really sapping any juice left in the current battery..........
(dealer name)
Regarding things to look for in our planned test drive on 12 Jan 2012 and further to my last references to State of Charge (SOC) recalibrations (recals):
Looking forward to demonstrating these (and all the other) IMA (weak battery) symptoms to you on the 12th.
Thanks
Cheers
Mike
Regarding things to look for in our planned test drive on 12 Jan 2012 and further to my last references to State of Charge (SOC) recalibrations (recals):
- for the first four years of ownership, I never had any recals;
- since this past summer, I have had one recal every four weeks (until recently);
- since mid December, I have had one recal every couple of days (until recently); and
- today, I have had two (2) SOC recals in one car trip.
Looking forward to demonstrating these (and all the other) IMA (weak battery) symptoms to you on the 12th.
Thanks
Cheers
Mike
#19
Re: My first 'no electrical assist and near miss' adventure
I was shocked how sluggishly the car accelerated in that instance. It was exactly as the OP indicated: as if the weight of the car suddenly doubled, or more. This is inexcusable and dangerous. There should be a programmed fail-safe mode that automatically forces high-revs. (Essentially "auto-S mode")
I originally bought my '08 with plans to hand down to my daughter when she was old enough (next year). This potentially lethal malfunction changed those plans.
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