Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
#11
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
With nights at 15c/60f, plugged all the night (a test) I got 3 pips on engin temp. before to start.
Pierre M.
#12
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
Pierre M.
#13
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
Well Pierre, winter is definitely coming and cold weather is a relative term for many of us.
In Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Northwest Territories it is considered "suicidal" to NOT have a block heater in a car. With temps getting as low as -40C (-40F) and sometimes even less (-53c last winter), a block heater is definitely more than an optional and temporary luxury. it is a fact of life for people and equipment.
Manitoba Hydro derives its power from hydro-electric dams in central and northern Manitoba. A great deal of the electricity produced is actually exported to Ontario and the US, so as an exporting province we have very low Kw rates and it makes perfect financial and ecological sense to make strategic use of a block heater all year round.
Cheers;
MSantos
In Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Northwest Territories it is considered "suicidal" to NOT have a block heater in a car. With temps getting as low as -40C (-40F) and sometimes even less (-53c last winter), a block heater is definitely more than an optional and temporary luxury. it is a fact of life for people and equipment.
Manitoba Hydro derives its power from hydro-electric dams in central and northern Manitoba. A great deal of the electricity produced is actually exported to Ontario and the US, so as an exporting province we have very low Kw rates and it makes perfect financial and ecological sense to make strategic use of a block heater all year round.
Cheers;
MSantos
#14
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
I actually ran some numbers for NJ, and I don't think it'll make much sense for me to get one (keep in mind the mpg differences are hypothetical, since I haven't driven in a winter yet).
Using numbers as of my August electric bill, it would cost 14 cents to run a 400 watt block heater for 2 hours. If in the dead of winter I get 45 mpg without it compared to 55 mpg with it, I’d save 20 cents with gas at $2.50 and my 20 mile commute. 24 cents at $3.00/gallon.
Basically a net savings of 6 to 10 cents per commute (and I'd really only use the block heater before commutes). It would take a lot of them to make it back!
Using numbers as of my August electric bill, it would cost 14 cents to run a 400 watt block heater for 2 hours. If in the dead of winter I get 45 mpg without it compared to 55 mpg with it, I’d save 20 cents with gas at $2.50 and my 20 mile commute. 24 cents at $3.00/gallon.
Basically a net savings of 6 to 10 cents per commute (and I'd really only use the block heater before commutes). It would take a lot of them to make it back!
#15
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
Yes, depending on where you live, a block heater may not offer the full complement of benefits at all. You do well in making such estimates.
Just to recap the benefits for folks who need/want a block heater:
1- Lowered mechanical wear of the engine and heightened reliability, particularly at startup.
2- Lowered pollution since the engine and emissions system will be at optimal temp much sooner.
3- Lowered fuel consumption since the engine is likely to exit closed loop operation sooner.
4- Potentially lower long term operating costs due to (1) and maybe (2).
5- Potentially lower short term operating costs since for some folks (like myself) the cost of operating the BH strategically more than makes up for the costs in fuel.
Granted, I am not the best example. But just for giggles, feel free to click on my HCH2006 signature for a glimpse of my mileage (with block heater use) during my winters. Without a block heater the winter FE would likely sit in the low to mid 20's. No Joke.
Cheers;
MSantos
Just to recap the benefits for folks who need/want a block heater:
1- Lowered mechanical wear of the engine and heightened reliability, particularly at startup.
2- Lowered pollution since the engine and emissions system will be at optimal temp much sooner.
3- Lowered fuel consumption since the engine is likely to exit closed loop operation sooner.
4- Potentially lower long term operating costs due to (1) and maybe (2).
5- Potentially lower short term operating costs since for some folks (like myself) the cost of operating the BH strategically more than makes up for the costs in fuel.
Granted, I am not the best example. But just for giggles, feel free to click on my HCH2006 signature for a glimpse of my mileage (with block heater use) during my winters. Without a block heater the winter FE would likely sit in the low to mid 20's. No Joke.
Cheers;
MSantos
#16
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
Pierre M.
#20
Re: Too cold to Auto Stop, but love the heater
Thank you dogarm.
I made also a calculation this morning:
Cost of electricity : 0.0408$/Kwh
.0408 * 400watts * 5 hours * 260 day per year = 25.46$/year.
5 hours 260 is too much, that will lower than that.
Saving of fuel :0.2liters/100km(estimate)
0.2*30000km per year/100*$1.10 = $66.00/year
0.2 is pestimistic, that will be higher than that.
Conclusion:
This is a good economical decision
This is a good environmental decision
I have taken at lease one good decision in August
PierreM
I made also a calculation this morning:
Cost of electricity : 0.0408$/Kwh
.0408 * 400watts * 5 hours * 260 day per year = 25.46$/year.
5 hours 260 is too much, that will lower than that.
Saving of fuel :0.2liters/100km(estimate)
0.2*30000km per year/100*$1.10 = $66.00/year
0.2 is pestimistic, that will be higher than that.
Conclusion:
This is a good economical decision
This is a good environmental decision
I have taken at lease one good decision in August
PierreM
Last edited by PapaMile; 09-22-2007 at 06:43 AM.